What did Ahmadinejad mean? ('wipe Israel off map')

It seems to me that a War between Israeli/U.S. and Iran is stemming from basically two things:

1. President Ahmadinejad's highly controversial and disputed "wipe Israel off the map" comment, which Israel and supporters claim it's a call for the total destruction of Israel and genocide of its Jewish people.

and,

2. Iran's burgeoning nuclear program, which Israel and supporters claim it's their attempt to develop Nuclear Weapons in order to nuke Israel.


Since a lot of people are going to die if a war breaks out between Iran and Israel/U.S. and a war like this could very well spark WWIII, resulting in even MORE death and destruction, I figure it's critically important to find out what President Ahmadinejad really meant with that controversial comment before we rush off to war . . . again.

 

The Religion of Peace ? lol

 

Only if he meant Option 1.

 

He meant neither.

 

Well, let's see - the little Islamofascist screwhead in Tehran is already supporting several genocidal terrorist organizations dedicated to obliterating Israel and its Jewish population, so one doesn't really need to parse the words in his rants. His actions speak louder than his words.

That having been said, he might settle for a war leading to the destruction of the state of Israel, establishing a Medieval Islamic theocracy and reducing the surviving Jews to dhimmitude. Then A'jad and his fellow Islamist primitives can give them the same delightful treatment he gives the Iranian people...

 

The problem: interpretation and translation.

He said 'wipe israel off the map' meaning his and iranian foriegn policy to israeli land disputes.

Now obviously if he said "wipe israel off the map" with violente intent, it would be a statement of war.

 

It appears as if you are letting biased third party hacks with a definite agenda define Mr Ahmedinejad. Here is a lengthy interview that was conducted a few years back. Are you familiar with the term "propaganda"?
Why not form a more reasonable opinion which can always be achieved by listening to both sides of these grave issues? Here are his words. He certainly doesn't appear to be the raging war monger that the Western Press has tried to lable him....


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,618559,00.html

EXCERPTS:

SPIEGEL: Mr. President, so far you have traveled to the United States four times to attend the General Assembly of the United Nations. What is your impression of America and the Americans?

Ahmadinejad: In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate, I am pleased to be able to welcome you to Tehran once again, after our extensive conversation almost three years ago. Now on the USA: Of course, one cannot get to know a country like the United States in short visits, but my speech and the discussions at Columbia University were very special to me. I am quite aware that a distinction must be drawn between the American government and the American people. We do not hold Americans accountable for the faulty decisions of the Bush administration. They want to live in peace, like we all do.


SPIEGEL: The new US president, Barack Obama, directed a video address to the Iranian nation three weeks ago, during the Iranian New Year festival. Did you watch the speech?

Ahmadinejad: Yes. Great things are happening in the United States. I believe that the Americans are in the process of initiating important developments.

SPIEGEL: How did you feel about the speech?

Ahmadinejad: Ambivalent. Some passages were new, while some repeated well-known positions. I thought it striking that Obama attached such high value to the Iranian civilization, our history and culture. It is also positive that he stresses mutual respect and honest interactions with one another as the basis of cooperation. In one segment of his speech, he says that a nation's standing in the world does not depend solely on weapons and military strength, which is precisely what we told the previous American administration. George W. Bush's big mistake was that he wanted to solve all problems militarily. The days are gone when a country can issue orders to other peoples. Today, mankind needs culture, ideas and logic.

SPIEGEL: What does that mean?

Ahmadinejad: We feel that Obama must now follow his words with actions.

SPIEGEL: The new US president, who has called your aggressive anti-Israeli remarks "disgusting," has nevertheless spoken of a new beginning in relations with Iran and extended his hand to you.

Ahmadinejad: I haven't understood Obama's comments quite that way. I pay attention to what he says today. But that is precisely where I see a lack of something decisive. What leads you to talk about a new beginning? Have there been any changes in American policy? We welcome changes, but they have yet to occur.


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SPIEGEL Interview with Iranian President Ahmadinejad
'We Are Neither Obstinate nor Gullible'
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad spoke with SPIEGEL about what he expects from US President Barack Obama, why America's new Afghanistan strategy is wrong and why Iran should have a spot on the UN Security Council.

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SPIEGEL: Mr. President, so far you have traveled to the United States four times to attend the General Assembly of the United Nations. What is your impression of America and the Americans?

Ahmadinejad: In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate, I am pleased to be able to welcome you to Tehran once again, after our extensive conversation almost three years ago. Now on the USA: Of course, one cannot get to know a country like the United States in short visits, but my speech and the discussions at Columbia University were very special to me. I am quite aware that a distinction must be drawn between the American government and the American people. We do not hold Americans accountable for the faulty decisions of the Bush administration. They want to live in peace, like we all do.

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SPIEGEL: You are constantly making demands. But the truth is: Your policies, Iran's disastrous relations with the United States, are a burden on the global community and a threat to world peace. Where is your contribution to the easing of tensions?

Ahmadinejad: I have already explained this to you. We support talks on the basis of fairness and respect. That has always been our position. We are waiting for Obama to announce his plans, so that we can analyze them.

SPIEGEL: And that's all?

Ahmadinejad: We have to wait and see what Obama wants to do.

SPIEGEL: The world sees this differently, and we do too. Iran must act. Iran must now show good will.

Ahmadinejad: Where is this world you are talking about? What do we have to do? You are aware that we are not the ones who severed relations with America. America cut off relations with us. What do you expect from Iran now?

SPIEGEL: Concrete steps, or at least a gesture on your part.

Ahmadinejad: I have already answered that question. Washington cut off relations.

SPIEGEL: Are you saying that you would welcome a resumption of relations with the United States?

Ahmadinejad: What do you think? What has to happen? Which approach is the right one?

SPIEGEL: The world expects answers from you, not from us.

Ahmadinejad: But I sent a message to the new US president. It was a big step, a huge step. I congratulated him on his election victory, and I said a few things to him in my letter. This was done with care. We have been and continue to be interested in significant changes taking place. If we intend to resolve the problem between our two countries, it is important to recognize that Iran did not play a role in the development of this problem. The behavior of American administrations was the cause. If the behavior of the United States changes, we can expect to see important progress…

SPIEGEL: …that could lead to a resumption of diplomatic relations, perhaps even to the reopening of the embassy, which was occupied in 1979, the year of the revolution?

Ahmadinejad: We have not received an official request in this regard yet. If this happens, we will take a position on the matter. This is not a question of form. Fundamental changes must take place, to the benefit of all parties. The American government must finally learn lessons from the past.

SPIEGEL: But you should not?

Ahmadinejad: Everyone must learn from the past.

SPIEGEL: Then please tell us which lessons you are learning.

Ahmadinejad: We have been under pressure for the past 30 years, unfairly and without fault on our part. We have done nothing…

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Read the interview....

 

of Ahmadinejad’s “wipe Israel off the face of the map” statement was that the creation of the state of Israel in the 1940’s by the USA and the UK in the Middle East was inappropriate. His further statements were that Israel should have been placed in Europe or Alaska, USA because the perpetrators of the holocaust were from Europe. Additionally, the “holocaust denier” charge was more a probing question about the severity of the holocaust (number of victims) and the Jewish lack of respect for non-Jews that ALSO died in concentration camps and conflict during WWII. Of course, he could have said “Yabba Dabba Do” for all I know as I do not speak Farsi and my interpretation was from a translator.

 

His comments justify a first strike.

 

Hey, "jewish" propagandeur, let's see some footage of Ahmadinejad saying this. Not of the Ayatollah saying this thirty years ago, but Iran's current leader saying it. In related news ...

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Only a depressingly small minority believe this state of affairs is wrong. Only an even smaller minority is willing to die to change it. The majority, on the other hand, rubber-stamps this as "just the way it is" or "it's a dog eat dog world". Until it begins affecting them. Which, this time around, it will.

If you're not a "jew" - Jesus/God has always called them the synagogue of satan (satan's emissaries on this planet) - or one of the 500 million who gets to live (as the "jews" slaves), you're slated to die from war, plague, famine, or experimentation.

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Professor Juan Cole's website has addressed this innumerable times. Contrary to what the Zionists and the liars in the Faux network say, Ahmadinejad has not called for killing off Israel. He has translated all of the Iranian leader's speeches and proven that none call for war against Israel.

And get this: several Jewish scholars have endorsed the accuracy of Cole's reports.

Therefore, you can believe the noe-KKKons lies, or you may believe the Truth.

 

Stupid people blindly believe everything jewsnews says is Gospel. The "jews" who own almost all of America's media HATE THE GOSPEL.

 

More people have been killed in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in human history as has been discussed on other threads. Thus, many (thankfully, not all) of those who claim to worship the Prince of Peace do not act in compliance with His divine wishes.

 

Trick question, because he never said that to begin with.

 

Granny says she always knowed he was a quack...

Iran elections: Ahmadinejad reduced to lame duck
March 4, 2012 - Forces loyal to conservative cleric Ayatollah Ali Khamenei have taken over 75 percent of the seats in parliamentary elections, leaving rival President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad weakened.

 

I disagree. Well I think Israel should be able to do what they want. I would gladly be supportive if they decide to preempt. But to think of America going and charging in there really puts a bad taste in my mouth......

 

True. But you can't confuse people who are truly religious, and those who pretend to use religion to justify means of getting what they want. Some things that are done in the name of religion are clearly NOT religious. Get me?

 

Or Israel could do the right thing and make the problem go away.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...487-israel-doesn-t-need-west-bank-secure.html

 

It's only controversial among a tiny number of anti-Israel/anti-American extremists led by Juan Cole who are desperate to whitewash Ahamdinejad. The reason they do this is because while they claim Ahmadinejad did not threaten to wipe Israel off the map, they secretly (and sometimes openly) hope he will.

The rest of the world and that includes the UN, the EU, the US, Russia, South America, Al-Jazeera, China, Iran's own official english language news organizations etc independently translated Ahmadinejad's speeches absolutely identically, as a call to wipe Israel off the map.

See my signature for the Al-Jazeera's translation.

 

The smart thing is to simply assume that he never says what he really means unless it is something we want him to mean and he says it.

That is the best policy.

 

How many poeple who voted actually speak Iranian?

 

It's all about context, oh and translation aparently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_off_the_map.22_controversy

 

"What did Ahmadinejad mean? wipe Israel off map"

Ah, he has this big map and a giant Magic marker and...

 

Oh, not this sh*t again

-Idioms are not translated literally. The Persian idiom "to erase from the page of time" has exactly and absolutely the same meaning as the English idiom "to wipe off the map".

-they routinely refer to Israel as 'the zionist regime' 'the zionist entity' or the 'zionist enemy' in their neck of the woods. It's not fooling anyone.

-The official Islamic Republic News Agency translated Ahmadinejad's words as "wiping Israel off the map", it was on their website for several years, even after it had been condemned by the entire world. Don't you think telling them that Ahamdinejad had something different in mind is kind of ridiculous under the circumstances?

 

When y'all are payin' $20/gallon for gas, you can thank......religion.

Christians are too scared to take on the underlying religious insanity that causes all this: "our god gave us this land...no OUR god did!!" Also Christians are too scared to say that any belief system that has some dude ("12th Imam") actually living in a well, somewhere, for centuries, is insane, because THEIR OWN belief system has just as much insane nonsense in it as Islam. (In their own end-of-days scenario, their boy Jesus returns not on a tank but on a horse - with a sword - not an AK47, sticking out of his mouth. Jesus is an idiot.)

Let's face it, religions are leading us down the path of nuclear destruction.