The ineffectiveness of Ron Paul

you've demonstrated time after time that you don't know what logic is

no wonder ron paul has been nailed for being an ineffective legislator

his partisans think his looney bills and outlandish beliefs are logical

you're projecting, where's your proof of my lying?

 

You claim that Congress emitting bills of credit and making legal tender laws is Constitutional.

Prove that the Constitution says that Congress has the power to emit bills of credit.
Prove that the Constitution says that Congress has the power to declare legal tender laws.

You have been unable to do that, so that makes that claim to be Lie #1. Instead you have resorted to citing Case Law as the reason it is Constitutional. This implies that Case Law is superior to the Constitution, which is false and unconstitutional. Lie #2. You telling me that I'm "projecting" is Lie #3.

That's three lies you have engaged in. Any honorable person would apologize immediately for these three lies. I wouldn't expect that from you because you are not an honorable individual. Perhaps you will prove to me and others that I am wrong about your character.

 

what a joke, you're even weaker than i thought

 

Nice dodge

 

you don't know what you're talking about

 

When Democrats took control of both Houses of CONGRESS, the debt was at $8.7 trillion. Congress is our governmental body that does the spending. A cooperative president can make the spending worse, but a president cannot do the spending. That is Congress's job.
Bush held them to a deficit of $458 billion the first year [an all time record deficit] then the lame duck Bush had no control and they ran up a deficit of $1,412.7 trillion the second year. [another all time record and exactly $1 trillion higher the the highest ever Republican deficit.] Then obama came in and did nothing to slow Congress down and we had deficits of $1,293.5 trillion and $1,299.6 trillion. And we are presently on a path to a deficit of $1.327.0 trillion for FY2012.
A Democrat Party controlled Congress, both Houses, also gave us the failed "Stimulus," obamacare, and Dodd-Frank. And multiple extensions of unemployment compensation with NO EFFORT to find a way to pay for them.
Republicans fought that,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT the extension of benefits,,,,,but extending them without any way to fund the extensions.

Record deficit under a Republican Congress $412.7 billion in FY2004.
LAST deficit under a Republican controlled Congress, both Houses, was FY2007, $160.7 billion, 12% of the last Democrat deficit.

 

Not if we're talking about Frank's.

 

I see your response still has absolutely zero substance. I will take that as an admission of your defeat.

 

let's see

madison said individual states can't make the own legal tender

the federal reserve note is the legal tender of the country

the supreme court has upheld the paper dollar's constitutionality

congress uses its constitutionally given power to regulate money

the dollar is the strongest most accepted currency on earth

ron paul is losing his third cockamamy bid for president


you don't have a leg to stand on

 

He said no such thing.

Unconstitutionally.

Inconsistent with the Constitution.

Congress doesn't have the power to "regulate money". It has the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof.

Not for long. It won't be when the IMF SDR replaces it as the international reserve currency.

Being unpopular doesn't mean he's wrong.

You're resorting to your same old strawman argument of case law.

 

ron paul has been saying the dollar is going to crash for over 30 years

but it's still the world's most reliable currency

 

That is, IMO, EXACTLY what it is.

This guy is a known troll.

He goes into threads, flame baits people with political views he disagrees with (but not so flaming that he gets the mods attention), puts them down, NEVER admits when he is wrong (that I recall anyway) - a sure sign of insecurity - and generally just acts like a big troll.

 

Incorrect. The President signs off on spending and has bargaining power.

All the control it would take is a $0.20 red Bic pen, but Bush was allergic to vetos. After all, he broke a 200 year record. However, I see that you are just playing partisan politics and blaming Dems. Sorry, but Republicans share much of the responsibility for our debt with their three decade mantra of less taxes and more spending, beginning with Reagan.

 

Absolutely. The president has the power to veto ALL bills. If the congress doesn't have a 2/3 majority, the president can literally put a halt on 100% of congressional spending.

Don't tell that to Dan40 though. He still lives in lala land where partisan politics actually means something in this country. Guess what? The only person running in this race who would have vetoed all those bills is Ron Paul, but Dan40 clearly loves reckless spending too much to vote him in. Nope, the three other republican candidates will follow in Bush's footsteps and rack up the debt just like Bush and Obama did.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/23/news/economy/gop_candidates_deficits/index.htm

 

The average lifespan of a fiat currency is 27 years. It's nothing short of a miracle the dollar has lasted this long.

 

it has nothing to do with any miracle and most everything to do with the federal reserve's monetary management

 

You're fabricating again. The free market is what provided the strong foundation of the dollar, not any centralized planning authority

 

there's not really any such thing as a 'free market'

it's an abstract concept invented economic philosophers

 

That's true. It's an abstract concept which describes free voluntary exchange between individuals, where prices are set by the law of supply and demand, and contracts enforced by government through necessary regulations.

 

This demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the realities of politics. Paul and his supporters mistakenly believe there is some black or white element to politics. There is not, there is not supposed to be. It is ALL Grey. Veto everything and a president will get nothing he needs or wants to work with.

The president is NOT the boss like in a business. The president is a partner with Congress. He stops Congress, Congress stops him.

You WANT to think that DC is some shinning castle on a hill, benevolently overlooking its happy realm. Sorry its is not and it was never supposed to be. It is a pit where scratching, biting, back stabbing, ball kicking, spitting and screaming are all within the rules. Always have been, always will be.
They refer to each other as Honorable Gentleman from this state or that state. That is SARCASM. That is code for, "that rotten stinking SOB that I had to make a deal with."
The election you Paulists seek is in some other country, an imaginary one.. What you want has never, ever existed in this nation. And hopefully, never will. Because when Utopian idiocy takes control, this USA is ended.

 

ron paul makes it sound like he can easily solve so many problems if he's elected, realists know he's just pandering to malcontents and the naive

ron paul's record of building consensus in congress is near nil

 

Congress isnt about building a consensus ,it is about checks and balances,gridlock..........."What do you expect someone to do that actually values somewhat the oath he took.?Just say (*)(*)(*)(*) it,everyone else is ruining the nation,the economy,and letting the fed get away with murder,I might as well to."
What the (*)(*)(*)(*) good is a consensus,if it is poisonous?

 

that depends on the issue, if there's an urgent matter that needs to be solved right away, gridlock can be catastrophic

on cockamamy ideas like ending the fed and abolishing the dept of education, yes checks, balances and gridlock are beneficial

ron paul is a liar, read his newsletters

who has the fed murdered?

 

I could not agree more, however that said.

The absolute hypocrisy of those who would give this President a complete pass, on not only his racist origins, but the very real, racist acts he's comitted since taking up residence in the People's house.

Should and ought to be pointed out and have their hypocrisy exposed at every turn.

Particularly when those who would give this President a complete and total pass, not only when he sits listening to a racist so called "precher" teaching a racist, anti american, anti-christ theology, but when he also comitts racist acts like immediately calling a police officer "stupid" because that officer just happened to be white and arrested a black man.

Without knowing the facts, and when that officer was in the right to make said arrest.

Decide to sit pointing their fingers at public servants like Mr. Paul who are serious about their oath to uphold and defend our Constitution, accusing them of being "racist".

 

what a joke, have you ever read ron paul's newsletters?

he's worse than any racist