Obama Establishes Fascism by Executive Order

And when asked to present evidence to support that assertion, you have consistently failed to do so.

When this is pointed out, you simply repeat your assertion.

In logic theory, that is known as a "massive fail."

 

The signing of the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order grants the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Labor, the Department of Defense, and other agencies complete control of all U.S. resources, including the ability to seize, confiscate or re-delegate resources, materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense as delegated by the following agencies...

We are not under any major threat, any more than we have been since Viet Nam, and even then they were no threat (we were the threat to ourselves). There was no need to do this. No one is asking "why"...just saying "oh don't worry, this is normal, you have nothing to worry about"...

 

The answers you want will not present themselves until it is too late. You should be bright enough to realize that. It's like the dog on his belly slowly inching his way closer to the cat. The cat is smart enough to recognize the danger even though he is not yet close. You can't see your danger however. I can't help you.

 

Which is why nothing is going to happen with this EO. It's just making sure we're prepared for a national emergency.

You *do* want the country prepared for a national emergency, right?

The time to lay plans for an emergency are before there is an emergency. That way you know what to do when an emergency does show up.

The Pentagon develops lots of different plans for lots of different scenarios, many of them highly implausible. The point is to have a plan when you need one. They will, for instance, wargame out scenarios that postulate a war with China. It doesn't mean they're planning a war with China; it means they want to be ready for one if it comes up.

There was no pressing reason to issue the EO this week; there was no good reason *not* to issue the EO this week, either. You issue this kind of EO whenever the work underlying it is completed -- in this case, deciding how exactly to delegate your Congress-provided authority.

 

Obama sees that his tenure is about up and people have seen him for what he truly is and they don't like it. Sure, his core supporters will carry his banner to the grave if necessary and never question him. The remainder of "thinking America" is questioning his motives for this bold move, and the timing of it. We will not stop pounding and pounding until he is gone from office, then the rebuilding can begin and I am sure that whoever replaces him will recind that order first, probably on that very day before The Ball.

And don't come out with "give me proof" or "show me" and anything like that. When the hair stands up on the back of your neck you know you are in danger; I feel that now and that alone is enough for me.

My actual prayers will be that it never takes place as I envision it.

 

The guy from Tekken? Sweet!

 

Opinion, not fact.

While always true to some extent for anyone, given that the Left is not particularly happy with Obama, whom do you envision as his unquestioning core supporters?

Wrong on several counts:

1. It is not a "bold" move. It is a routine updating of a 60-year-old preparedness plan.

2. The only people questioning it are a handful of paranoid loonies.

Opinion mixed with fantasy, not fact.

Yeah, I know. Actual evidence is so last week. Now we can go with our "feelings".

Well at least there's that. Let me play God for a moment and assure you that Obama will not attempt a coup, because only complete nutjobs would think a) he would try it and b) he could succeed. Your prayers have been answered.

 

The Executive Branch has a whole lot of power during "Wartime".

We are in a War.

Or he could Issue one saying that he believes they have "insurgents" in the U.S., and suspend the Elections until things "cool down" and they have wrought out all of those who oppose him.... ah, he means the U.S....

 

Not one that qualifies as a national emergency. We face no existential threat.

And we're getting out of that war as quickly as we can.

And that EO would be met with the same response as one declaring him dictator for life -- crickets.

The president does not have the power to suspend elections. Maybe Congress could do it, but I doubt it: elections and their timing are written into the Constitution. You'd need a Constitutional amendment to suspend them.

We had elections all through every war we've ever fought. Even that Socialist/Marxist/Democrat FDR faced elections throughout World War II.

Really, guys. Paranoia is *not* an attractive trait.

 

Your self-identified position of baseless paranoia has been noted!

 

Feelings of danger got me through 13 month and a day of crap you couldn't imagine. And who are his "unquestioning core supporters"? I don't know their names; Good God what a question...ok how about John and Julie and Robert and Sheniqua and Moses and...you fill in the blanks.

Those who think the unthinkable can happen are always the ones who cry the loudest when they come true.

 

So you think the War on Terror is over once we leave Afghanistan?

 

No. But:

#1, I've never thought that war was the proper frame for what is essentially a robust police action.That's partly because....

#2, it is not and never will be an existential threat to the United States. Terrorism is not a threat to U.S. power or our very existence. In the context of geopolitics, it's a bug bite.

Which is why it's not a national emergency.

 

Awesome. Do you think there might be a slight difference between a combat zone and politics when it comes to "feelings of danger"?

For one thing, the expertise involved is different. I'll grant that you're an expert in sizing up danger in a combat zone. But to be frank, you've not demonstrated much expertise on the subject of government and how it works, so I'd suggest that your Spidey Sense is not working well in that arena.

I meant by group. It's not the Left; you guys make it clear it's not the Right. And you probably don't think it's the moderates, either. So who is it? What groups unquestioningly support Obama?

 

(*)(*)(*)(*). 14 pages later and you guys are still discussing this non-issue?

Look. Obama's been in office for what, 3 and a half years? Just when do you think the buhlack man is gonna take over the world?

If you really want to huddle around and share evil conspiracies, I think you guys would be more worried about President Santorum doing away with porn.

After all, Republicans have disenfranchised the votes of women, blacks, and gays. Now they've disenfranchised their base. Old white rich men masturbating in front of their computer to women, blacks and gays!

 

Race card from the "new" poster" what a shock.

 

You wouldn't know sarcasm if it hit you in the face with a Don't Tread On Me flag.

Here's what Snopes has to say. But, of course, you'd probably think they're run by George Soros, Jeremiah White, and William Ayers*.

*That's sarcasm.

 

If you guys want to get really upset, look at some of the previous Executive Orders, like:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 (revoked, written by Kennedy)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 (revoked, written by Nixon)
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12656 (still in effect, written by Reagan)

While people are getting really upset with President Obama, they should at least recognize that plans of this magnitude have been in effect for decades. Nevertheless, the government has made it their business to ensure that normal people are enslaved once the (*)(*)(*)(*) has hit the proverbial fan in America.

 

In last Friday's media dump, Obama made it very clear that he is a Socialist. Most people have already figured that out, but not his most ardent supporters. They claim the government doesn't control the means of production so therefore, he isn't a socialist. Well then, could any on the left explain the meaning of the following clip from NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS EXECUTIVE ORDER where he granted himself the power to do just that:

It can all be found at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

Folks, this is a power grab extraordinaire. He even overrides Congress no matter of it is wartime or peacetime. Obama knows the Constitution and he has done everything imaginable to dismantle it.

What say you?

 

This flaming right-wing canard has already been debunked in a previous thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...bama-establishes-fascism-executive-order.html

 

Oh stop it with the BS. He's a Marxist. He's doing exactly what he said he'd do. He's "fundamentally changing" America, through executive orders, regulation, and just plain Chicago bully tactics. Oh, and he LIES.
His goal is more spending by the govt and therefore more govt control through:

*spending taking up more tax money - controlling more private money
*more regulations - controlling anything and everything - people, commerce, money.
*more bureaucrats - more people working for govt - and dependent on a govt paycheck
*regulations superseding and replacing law so HE can circumvent Congress.

*No one can get rid of porn.
*Only the religious right cares, and they're too small to get their way.
*Santorum won't win the nom.

That was a nasty thing to say. Disgusting and untrue.
If you can't debate civilly, you have no place here.

 

Were people "enslaved" during World War II?

 

Enslaved no. Thrown in concentration camps... Yes.

 

Wow, how petty.

That is total bull(*)(*)(*)(*). He circumvents Congress all the time through EOs and regulations. He has said plainly and in public that he will "go around" Congress to get what he wants. And he does just that.

I ought to report you for that. Glad YOU are NOT a mod anymore.
Obama has eroded our liberty and broken his oath to uphold the Constitution.
YOU should put your partisan loyalty aside and take a cold hard look at this man and what he is doing to this country.

 

so·cial·ism

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

fas·cism

1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

He's definitely assembling a system to achieve both of these---even if it's still in infancy.