Labor Have Turned The Corner!

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/13551596/bring-on-an-early-election-say-voters/

A majority of voters believe the independent MPs in parliament should back a no-confidence motion in Julia Gillard's government to being on an early election.

A Galaxy poll for the Herald Sun shows that just three in 10 voters would tick the Labor box at the next federal election, which is worse than when the party was split in the 1950s when the DLP was formed.

The poll shows that Labor's primary vote has fallen from 38 per cent at the August 2010 election to 30 per cent.

The support for the coalition under Tony Abbott continues to rise, going from 43.6 per cent at the last election to 49 per cent - and up two points from February.

After preferences, the poll of 1019 voters - taken over the weekend and before Ms Gillard persuaded Speaker Peter Slipper to resign his position and banished Labor MP Craig Thomson to the cross benches - gave the coalition an election-winning lead of 56 per cent to 44 per cent.

The election is due in 18 months. However, the Galaxy poll found 52 per cent of voters believe the independent MPs should vote with the coalition in a no-confidence motion against the government, to force an early election.
Crucially, one in five Labor voters support this position and 38 per cent of voters are opposed to an early election brought on by independents who have pledged to support Labor

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They have now graduated from pathetic, to abysmal. When will these clowns realise that they have the capacity to go one way only, down? If they had a shread of decency they`d call an election asap. Anna Bligh was also arrogantly delusional, she hung onto her BS & cheap spin, didn`t take notice of what the electorate was trying to tel her. A hint for Julia. This is a DEMOCRACY, Julia. Check out the poll http://au.news.yahoo.com/cloud/polls/popup/c00c5eab-935e-3b61-b702-c3f3d8d84d73/

 

Don’t count on “no-nuts” Winsor siding with the coalition with a no-confidence vote.

After hearing him talk yesterday, it was obvious that the troll queen and her back room boys have given him something he now cannot renege on.

It was really frustrating listening to this bastard, as he went on to say that the troll had not broken any of her promises to “HIM” as if he was the only “PERSON” in his entire electorate, as he could not have cared less about what all the other people in his electorate want.

He really is a totally self-centred arrogant old pig, and I hope Karma gets him good and proper.

 

I have a cousin that lives in Tamworth. He said the sentiment against Windsor is so bad that he has people spit at him when he is in public. Don't know how TRUE that is as my cousin is a dyed in the wool conservative. However he has voted for Windsor for a long time. To me it looks like Windsor is fulfilling his retirement contract to gillard. And Oakshot, what a blithering fool. His electorate should be shot for what they did to the rest of us. They had to of known what an idiot he is, you can't hide that sort of stupidity. Maybe he was a practical joke on the rest of us.

I posted on another thread the dire straights our finance is in according to Ross Greenwood, interesting stuff. I totally agree, enough is enough. If we had a governor general that wasn't so blatently labor we may well of seen another intervention. That is how bad this has become. Labor are the best at spin that I have ever seen, but it appears that not even that can help them.

God help us. The future looks bleak.

To all the climate yay Sayers, sorry but it looks like we may be faced with backing our resources industry just to get out of debt that this abhorent government has given us. I don't think there will be a choice.

 

If your cousins situation is any indication to what’s happening to Oakeshott in his electorate, then spitting on the ground as he walks past would be a common practise I could imagine - as Oakeshott is suffering the same indignities as “no nuts” Winsor.

My elderly Aunt resides in Bonny Hills which is in Oakeshotts electorate, and she can attest to him being regularly booed and jeered everywhere he goes in Port Macquarie - he is absolutely hated for what he did, and is still doing. It’s a locally known fact that he will be forced to vacate the entire area after the 2013 election, because no one in the region will ever employee him.

She was on the guest list to one of his private functions prior to the 2010 elections, and she re-calls her initial assumptions of him when introduced to him as being a “sleazy effeminate” man, and that’s when she nicknamed him “bum-fingers”. My aunt is a healthy 88 years old and was born in a hard generation that didn‘t tolerate fools. I have never heard her utter a profanity or derogatory comment towards anyone my entire life, so when she was telling me of her experience with Oakeshott, only a fool would not take notice of what she was saying.

It turned out her analysis of Oakeshott was 100% correct, as he turned out to be a self-serving, crafty, effeminate coward who sold his electorate votes to the troll queen for a hand-full of beans without realising the moral or ethical consequences.

Yes Slippery, the future for Australia look bleak, especially when we have people who don’t understand we have a Government who is borrowing $100million dollars a day from foreign banks to keep Australia‘s head above water, and that same Government has just given away $7billion dollars of that borrowed money back to foreign owned banks (IMF). Plus $500millin to the UN’s climate start up fund (Australia’s part payment for a seat on the UN council) and is donating $4billion per year in free aid to other countries. Who in their right mind borrows money from a bank, and then gives a portion of that money away to strangers for free? Only a simpleton would do that, and we have simpleton politicians Governing this country

Australians are one of the highest taxed people in the world, and our pockets are bottomless pits, and some of these “headless chickens” won’t be happy until we all end up living in bloody tents, and paying these scum-bag politicians 50% of our income.

Australia gives Indonesia $500million in free aid every year; not to mention the $billions we gave then after the Tsunami, and when Australia was devastated by the floods, all the bloody Indonesians could donate back to Australian’s was an insulting $2million dollars.

Its time to have a really independent hard look at WHO Australia’s friends really are, because it certainly hasn’t been anyone in the local South Pacific Region - all they have done is taken our money; our empathy and our technology, and given nothing back in return, and its bloody time we woke up to ourselves and accepted that fact whether its confrontational or not.

 

I just watched a small snippet of an interview with Peter Beattie regarding the Clive Palmer bid for the seat of Lilley. When asked why should voters return a Labor government, he paused for a while and stated that he finds it very hard to give the voters a legitimate excuse. He said Labor had lost its way not only statewide but federally as well, and are still refusing to listen to the people. He basically said that for Labor to re conect they would have to re identify themselves, and that means a clean out of massive proportions. When asked how long that would take he couldn't give an answer other than a long time.

My Father is what I call the quintessential Labor Man. He has voted Labor every election of his long stubborn life. I love him dearly, don't get me wrong, but we have had so many arguments over the years regarding his unflinching loyalty. I spoke to him last night and as per usual it got around to politics. Now I can't tell you how hard this would of been for him to admit, but even he has conceded the inadequate and inept behaviour of this government. Will he vote Labor ? Probably ! However he said something that was fairly raw and true. How can there be a Labor Party that hasn't got one member in it that has worked among the working man within the last decade ? He believes this is where they have lost touch.

Like any political party they have endorsed people they know they can control. People who will not question their doctrine. In effect they have made their party inpenetrable to question, but in doing so have lost touch with their core constituents. Basically the ALP has lost its identity. An identity that was the most formidable political power in this country. Peter Beattie is right it is going to take a long time to recover. A hell of a lot of reflection I would suspect.

 

I wouldn't mind an election in the next few weeks.

 

Just shows how dumb the voting public is. When there was a suggestion a few years ago of an early election people were up in arms with most voters polled saying that early elections shouldn't be allowed.

 

We are getting to desperate on the scale now. They seem to want to push through their policies regardless of opinion. That is arrogance for you. I think Labor have left it too late to sack the red devil, the time has passed. I think Smith is smart enough to realise that the brand is toxic. He will wait until they are in opposition and try and rebuild the party. Carr is no fool either and I highly doubt he would position himself for egg on his face. I think he was always going to be interim. If the Rudd fiasco was at the start of this current term of office I highly doubt Carr would of taken the job. He was put in there as a minder. God only knows why because at the end of his term in NSW it stunk like a rotten tomato.

If the Libs do take office you will find a reshuffle with Turnbull taking over treasury and Hockey moving to a more social role.

 

We are getting to desperate on the scale now. They seem to want to push through their policies regardless of opinion. That is arrogance for you. I think Labor have left it too late to sack the red devil, the time has passed. I think Smith is smart enough to realise that the brand is toxic. He will wait until they are in opposition and try and rebuild the party. Carr is no fool either and I highly doubt he would position himself for egg on his face. I think he was always going to be interim. If the Rudd fiasco was at the start of this current term of office I highly doubt Carr would of taken the job. He was put in there as a minder. God only knows why because at the end of his term in NSW it stunk like a rotten tomato.

If the Libs do take office you will find a reshuffle with Turnbull taking over treasury and Hockey moving to a more social role.

 

There is no doubt amongst the inhabitants of the real world that this Government has been an abject failure. I have always been of the opinion that any socially relevant system, be it legal, financial, political, medical, or any one of a myriad of disciplines necessary for the healthy function of any society, requires periodic maintainance, review, adjustment and tuning. The Westminster system, as we know it hasn`t been upgraded to deal with the demands of the times that we live in, the system is sick if people like these can come to power. We need to take a serious look at ourselves. Australia is still a lucky country, but nothing is idiot proof. The prosperity and stability of our country can`t bear the burden of stupidity and dishonestly indefinitely.

Where did we go wrong? We need to demand much higher standards of people in authority.

 

One of the most intelligent comments that’s ever been written on this forum including some of my own.

Well done “Aussiefree” for finally getting down to the nuts & bolts of the real problem concerning Australia that’s causing this once great “prosperous” country to haemorrhage money like its going out of fashion.

Australia has an antiquated Governing system; antiquated law system, and an antiquated constitution that was relevant in the 18th Century, but all these systems are certainly miss-representing the people, and have little relevance or justice in the 21st Century.

There might have been a time long ago in our history, whereby politicians once had morals and ethics and a methodology that they were employed by the “people” and should work for the people, but that ethos has long since died, and they now only work for themselves, and what benefits and lurks ’n’ perks they can get form the tax payers.

Politicians don’t consider themselves as being “public servants” or being employees of the people; they now consider themselves “overlords” of the people, because the people have not been vigilant and have allowed these politicians to give themselves these powers whereby they now consider themselves “above” the people, and not equal to the people who employee them and pay their salaries.

Its time that all the powers and special privileges politicians gave themselves were removed, and they were brought back to an equal level of social constraints with ever other citizen.

Why should politicians be allowed special Parliamentary privileges whereby they don’t have to attend or answer question from police like every other citizen is forced to do by law; or they don’t have to attend or answer questions at inquiries and committees like other citizens are forced by law to do.

Politicians have placed themselves in the realms of Gods over the people and its time to knock them off their perches and show them they are just human beings like the rest of us - its time to take their power off them. These parasites in Local; State and Federal Governments are costing the tax payers untold $billions in upkeep, and they have the audacity to attack the people and say the people need to be taxed more and welfare needs an overhaul because the country is running out of money. Never ONCE do they ever look at themselves, and ask how much they are costing the tax payers in upkeep.

If the people don’t start coming together and start asking the deeper questions instead of simply blaming the ALP, then the LIB, then ALP, then LIB, then ALP, like an endless “merry-go-round” then this country is on the road to nowhere fast, because its simple fact that these politicians for a long time (from both parties) don’t know how to Govern or run this country successfully.

 

Thanks CD for your words. Among other sick systems we have, our political system is chronocally ill. I don`t know what the answers are, but if we work on recognising the problems, as you have, this would be a good place to start. Gotta go to work, wil catch up.

 

Nothing much wrong with the system.
It's the People who are the problem.

They're the ones who voted for 'Kevin 07' and then Gillard and co in 2010, despite all the things that had happened since 2007.

 

"Labor have turned the corner"....yeeaahh but they've turned into a dead end street, and at the other
end is.......wait for it......the ever dropping Trollmeter...

I reckon if Labor sacked Gillard and put the cleaner in as leader, Labors popularity would go up 20 points....

 

I personally think it’s the actual brand “politician” that stinks to high heaven at the moment. We can no longer afford to simply blame the inanimate object like the political party anymore, and its time we confronted, and started to place the blame squarely on the politicians who are working within these inanimate political parties.

We the people are voting (hiring) these politicians into senior Ministerial portfolios, and 99% of them have got NO qualifications or experience in these major senior position.

When they make serious mistakes, the public always jumps up and down about it, but who’s really at fault? Is it the PM for putting unqualified people in senior Ministerial positions, or is it the people for allowing a political system to still operate; whereby “THE VOTERS” will never know who will make up an elected Governments Ministerial cabinet, because it will always depend on whether or not that candidate for that political party wins his/her seat.

This is a “NO WIN” situation for the voters, but its time it was changed.

 

I voted for Kevin 07 for one reason. He promised to umbrella the hospital system if the States didn’t clean up their acts by the end of 08.

The States hospital system was still in a crisis in 09, and I will never forgive him or the ALP for reneging on that promise.

I cannot believe there was so many morons in the general public who wanted to see that cretin returned as PM after all the promises he chucked in the gutter.

 

Well, the "trollmeter" has spun off the dial. Watching the 7:30 report with Wayne Swan last night, and Craig Emerson the night before, was like watching Chris Uhlmann trying to get a straight answer from a snake, Gillard is the same. When we see this type of dodgy performance replayed over and over, is it any wonder that we don`t respect these dodgers? The ALP must seperate itself from the unions if it`s to earn any respect, they have to be capable of honest dialogue, and they have to be trustworthy. The unions are stuck in the 1800`s, they need to update themselves from gangs of corupt bully boys, and clean up their act. The unions have amassed massive asset portfolios at the expense of their members. They should share these assets with their members, after all, the members paid for these assets.

 

Agreed, the voters` voice has been silenced to a very large degree. We are stuck with party politics, regretably, but we shouldn`t have to put up with being lied to. We should be able to expect a reasonable degree of competence, as things now stand, the lunatics really are in charge of the asylum. The bulk of present Government consists of union lawyers, there isn`t a more useless article on the planet than a union lawyer.

 

I agree. However in the voters defence, these political parties are not putting forth candidates that are good for their constituents, but moreso candidates that are good for the party. So we the voters are not really getting a candidate that is 100% for his/her people.

I know that in the last state election the ALP had to endorse a candidate in my electorate. There was a local man, a good man, ex railway management. He was always a union member. Perfect candidate you would think. No ? the ALP did not endorse him because he was quite critical about the direction the ALP was heading in. Instead they endorsed a university student that had never lived in the local area and was so far out of touch with the constituents he was to represent that he actually called us "backwards". He was what I call the new breed of political party members. Young, straight out of university, and heading for a staffers position. He did not question the new direction ! Party first, people last.

So my view is how much blame can be attributed to us as voters when the cards are already stacked in favour of the party. A local independent has little hope to get his message out because of the lack of funding in comparrison. You will find that most successful independents are dis enfranchised party members that are already known in their electorates from past elections.

So yes I agree in part that the voter has made their own bed to lye in. Howevr we didn't really get a choice on the sheets.

 

I agree to the principal of what you are saying Aussiefree, but however your principal now applies to “every” political party, not just the ALP. None of them will ever tell the people the truth or give the people a straight answer unless it serves “their“ agenda.

We have a situation whereby the ALP is controlled by Union and back-room thugs; the Liberals are controlled by big business; the Greens are controlled by “yuppie” knit-wits, and “brand” Independent has been thoroughly trashed & taken back twenty years, thanks to “no-nuts” Winsor and “bum-fingers” Oakeshott.

We need a completely new Governing or Council structure, because this current one based solely on political parties has not been efficient, nor has it been working correctly for decades.

This current Governing system might have been adequate in the 18th Century, but its totally pasted its used by date in the 21st Century.

As history constantly reminds us; a species and civilisation that doesn’t adapts and changes; stagnates and dies. We cannot as a civilisation progress technologically nor can we progress our “Social Construction” when its being Governed by an antiquated 18th Century Parliamentary & Law system in the 21st Century.

 

I hear what you are saying Slippery, but shouldn’t the voters who are the ones employing these politicians, demand that political parties show us who their candidates are, and who is going to be representing us in responsible senior Ministerial positions once that party is elected into Government? Here lies the problem. Under the current political system, the Ministerial positions all depends on wether or not that candidate win his/her seat.

So, under this antiquated system political we are being forced to endure, parties don’t even have the responsibility to tell the voters (their employers) who their cabinet staff to these senior Ministerial positions will be, because they don’t even know themselves until after the election - depending on who holds their seat.

When was the last time anyone heard of an employer hiring an employee, whereby that employee hired another employee who was unqualified and inexperienced to a senior position - then when the employer discovered it, he/she didn‘t/ couldn‘t do anything about it? That’s exactly what the people are doing when they vote in politicians under this system - and we are paying them out of our own pockets for doing it. LOL LOL

We could get into a massive debate slippery by chasing our tails forever, and politicians like nothing better than for the voters to keep chasing their tails forever & to keep us off balance. Hell, they have been playing on the fact that the people take political sides like sporting events for decades, and have been distracting us like children from the real source of the problem that “Aussiefree” connect with - and that is: the antiquated 18th Century Parliamentary & Law system we the people are forced to live under.

The real problem for the voters is the antiquated 18th Century Parliamentary & Law system that the politicians have been hiding & cowering under that is no longer morally or ethically appropriate for the voters in the 21st Century.

Under this old 18th Century system the politicians have made themselves “overlords” and “masters” of the people who are suppose to be “their” employers and who ever questions or ignites a discussion that we are the tax payers are the ones paying “their” salaries.

Politicians have coned and convinced the people that “they” are paying the peoples welfare benefits - whereby the tax payers are paying for all the welfare.

 

If I appear to criticise the ALP more than the Lib / Nats, it`s because the ALP gives me so much material. Bumbling ineptitudes are now a daily occurance, and we are constantly bombarded with lies and feelgood spin from the ALP. Politicians seem to be free to do damage to this country, and lie and dodge questions with impunity. With the rest of the country being over regulated, and stifled by a suffocating beurocratic nightmare, it is high time that politicians were held accountable for their actions. We pay Federal Politicians peanuts while in office, then hand them massive retirement packages for doing nothing. Makes no sense at all.

We should be able to make a start by making politicains tell the truth in good faith. There should be severe penalties for false representation. This step would clean out the present crop of drones, so we could start fresh.

 

Aussie essentially you are right. However for some reason when an election comes around we the voter don't want to hear the truth. Instead we want the bull(*)(*)(*)(*), we vote for the bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You see sometimes the truth hurts, and silly Australians buy the crud these politicians sell and then whinge when it turns out to be a lie.

 

I understand that Labors staggering competence has provided more worthy ammunition for critical analysis, but I also don’t believe the “mad monk” should not be automatically given a free political ride to the Prime Ministership simply relying on the ALP’s mistakes.

I will only vote for the “mad monk” if I see him start winning the election, and not just crawling in on the ‘coat-tails’ of labours incompetence without any policies on how he is going to make my life better and my country a better place to live in.

I want to see the “mad monk” develop and announce strong affordable costed policies; otherwise I am not going to vote for another clown with no idea how to Govern this country, and who just wants the glorification of his picture hanging in PM corridor of Parliament House.

For the past 6 years we have had the Rudd clown, the troll queen & Brown clowns, and we cannot afford to elect a “mad monk” clown without knowing exactly what he is going to do to help the environment and the country. Otherwise I would be no intellectually smarter than the people who still think the troll queen is doing a good job and the carbon tax will save the planet.

 

Hmm, if this is the case, the problem of our shallow Governmental system would be in essence, just a symptom of a deeper social problem. I hope this isn`t the case to any appreciable extent. I still believe that most Auastalians would prefer the truth rather than spin.