On Second Thought, GOP Will Just Repeal Obamacare By Jonathan Chait | NYMag | 05/2012 One of the hard facts about public opinion during the health-care debate was that, while the public quickly soured on health-care reform, it remained quite sweet on the concept of health-care reform. This is why Republican opponents took care to insist at all times they only opposed the particulars of President Obamas plan, and wanted instead to reform the system their way, with all the popular things and none of the unpopular stuff. Republicans declared they had a moral imperative to reform the system, robotically insisting their plan was not merely to repeal health-care reform but repeal and replace. As Jonathan Bernstein notes, just last January, Republicans in Congress promised to have their all-gain, no-pain alternative ready and raring to go for the summer so they could move if the Supreme Court overturned Obamacare. Obviously it costs money to cover 43 million people, or even the 30 million people actually covered by Obamacare. But there are ways to offset those costs such that it does not increase the deficit, by raising taxes or cutting other spending, which Obamacare in fact did. Now, it is surely possible that those projections would prove incorrect. But what Ferguson is defending is the supposition that increasing the deficit is an inherent feature of any universal coverage scheme. This obviously is not the case, but his offhand statement is telling. They may debate over the particulars, but the particulars dont ultimately matter. Conservatives just dont want to lay out the resources to provide universal coverage. They think of health insurance the way I think of flat-screen televisions - a nice thing to have, and something Id like everybody to have, but not something to which everybody is entitled. Id like to see conservatives defend that philosophical position openly rather than couch it in easily cast-aside particulars. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/maybe-gop-will-just-repeal-obamacare.html ....... The republicans do not think of universal coverage of healthcare as an inherent right, and not something that everybody is entitlted to, such as TVs, cars, homes, etc. That if you can afford it, it becomes a good thing, if you cannot afford it. then you are free to die. They place everything under the label of freedom...THEIR freedom to insist on the way YOU are to live. The facts are: the republicans just dont want to pay for poor people to have medical care, but it is ok to bulk up the Pentagon and the war machine with taxpayer funds is symbolic of their vulgar agenda..... ...choosing death over life.... It is a spurious, selfish agenda that is sure to bring America to a 3rd World status if ever enacted, and we are very close to it now, and is why every thoughtful American needs to know who they are voting for at this crucial time in our history. The road is laid out for each candidate to adhere to. What does each candidate harbor within his soul for the good of the majority iof Americans...We need to ask the questions and demand the answers, not cloistered formats from friendly sites but open discourse with the answers that every American desrerves.
healthcare is not a right. Anyone with a brain would know that food water and shelter are of the most important 3 things a person needs in order to survive. Why does the government not offer this to every single American at no charge?
I don't believe universal healthcare is an inherent right or a product to which everybody is entitled. If it is a "right," then at whose expense should it be provided? Do you consider food, clothing, and shelter a right? That said, I think there are some very practical reasons to provide universal coverage for certain items (mainly catastrophic and basic preventative coverage). However, expanding our current broken sytem without really fixing anything is a lousy option.
you have a right to free speech but it doesnt mean they buy you a printing press or a radio station...you dont have a right to vote, yet that IS provided free of charge. so basically nothing youre saying makes any sense....rights arent always funded, and things govt pays for arent always rights.
They better repeal ObamaCare. If they fail to do so - or at least try - they get the Lugar treatment.
None of those are rights. Government, especially ours, don't provide rights to people. Another lie. Republicans provide health care to people who need it through charitable contributions and charity work, not being forced to do it through liberal policies. By the way, one of the primary purposes of the Federal government is maintaining and fielding a military force capable of protecting its citizenry. Oh, and as far as choosing death over life? Liberals are the ones who are aborting their progeny to the tune of nearly 50 million since 1973. Government HC isn't working anywhere. Costs have gotten out of hand and rationing occurs in all of your Socialist utopias. Ever wonder why so many "enlightened Europeans" and rich Oil sheiks flock to America when they need HC? No, abortion, confiscatory taxes and regulations is what might bring America 3rd world status. Nothing government does cannot be done better by people in the private market. Government stifles productivity and innovation and breeds laziness and overspending.
Interesting concept, and one that has been tried and theorized abundantly. What is your minimum for "shelter"? What is your minimum for "food"? What happens when those at the bottom start complaining they have to live on hamburger while others have filet? They tried that experiment in other places, China, USSR....I wonder why neither think that way anymore? Because it didn't work maybe?
...... 1) War is not a right either. I would rather my taxes go to universal healthcare where it will help all Americans, than wars where Americans get killed or maimed because a stupid president wants to be a "Commander-In-Chief. 2) Water will be our next biggest problem, but tons of water is being used in 'fracking' rendering it useless, and streams in surrounding areas get contaminated also. What does that say about the priorities of our leaders and ourselves? Keystone XL pipeline is an excellent example of sheer stupidity on the part of republicans in endangering our water supply for a few thousand temporary jobs building the TransCanada Pipeline from Canada to Texas. 3) I don't believe that many Americans would really want that as it does not imply Democracy in its purest sense. We believe in entrepreneurship; good jobs, buying homes, food, and the basic necessities ourselves, plus paying our share in taxes for the social benefits (police, libraries, schools, prisons, affordable heathcare) for our families, and others. You seem content to get free stuff, but are unwilling to pay for anything yourself..just like a republican !! The wealthy 10%rs are the nation's biggest socialists. If they ever get off the government teat, their heads would explode.
Americans don't starve. first of all. Second, if you can't afford a filet, complain to the person in your bathroom mirror. He's the only one holding you back.
..... 1) The government DOES, by virtue of the Constitution, 2) Like Santorum who declared over $4,000 in deductions for giving his old shoes, sweater vests, old toaster ovens to charity? Like Romney who says he pays his legal taxes AND NOT ONE PENNY MORE. I would be happy with having just one of the deductuions he and other wealthy people get. 3) We have principle funding for the Pentagon, troops, munitions all instruments of war. But crime in the United States is in epeidemic proportions. Rapes, murders, kidnappings, mass college killings, race riots etc..while our 'military' is off fighting 10 year wars. You must be mentally back in the late 1700's where the 'Articles of Confederation' conscripted a 'militia' to protect the citizenry of the first 13 states. 4) oops, another anti-abortion freak sticking his nose into women's uteruses. An abortion, whether it is on a republican or Democrat woman is a private matter, and none of your business. To stop abortions, we must change society, where men are responsible as women for protection from becoming pregnant, a society where a woman is not treated as some prey to be stalked, assaulted, raped and sometimes murdered because she is walking down the wrong street, or home alone. You don't get the fact that sex is not purely for procreation, and that a woman need not give up her life, career etc for a night of fun. 5) It is the same for Americans today...if you can afford it you get the operation, if you don't you die. Unlike an abortion, deliberately denying help to the living is murder. But anyone who has the money worldwide may come to America for his operation; while for an American citizen money should be the last thing on a doctor's mind. Also: a)Abortion b)confiscatory taxes, and c) regulations are only for the middle class and poor. For the wealthy it is always: a) a miscarriage, b) incentives/deductions, c) tax exemptions on earnings, undeclared earnings, offshore accounts. 6) The Bush Tax Cuts have been going on from 2001 till today saying they promote jobs...WHERE ARE THE JOBS? For 11 years, the wealthy took taxpayers money and put it into stock for themselves. Obama reauthorized it temporarily to try to create new jobs, but the wealthy just stashed it away, victims of their own selfish greed. Government is for the wellbeing of the people first and foremost. Congress is corrupt, out-of-touch with reality and will finally realize it in the coming November tsunami.
You have access to every one of the deductions that they claim, and probably access to a lot of tax credits that they don't have access to.
We already had universal health care. "Uninsured" does NOT mean can't get health care. The HRSA on-line finder has a low cost/no cost Federally funded Health clinics. The clinics aren't as convenient, you may have to wait in line. But, Health Care is out there for those without insurance.
..... 1) Yes, but only for illegal aliens that use the emergency rooms as their doctor visits. The cost of which was transfered onto people with health insurance by hiking up our bills/insurance fees. 2) see #1 3) yes, at taxpayers cost that could go to fund other things such as education, teaching multiple languages in job training, more judges to relieve the glut in our courts, to renovating our decaying infrastructure. 4) All clinics/doctor's offices/emergency rooms will be filled once the affordable healthcare is in full gear, providing excellent healthcare for everyone, not just people that can afford overpriced health insurance using the best doctors. I believe everybody will have to wait in line, as Obama's healthcare plan starts for the foreseeable future, as many new members seek good medical care.
...... Wrong: Although I donate old sweater vests, used shoes, and toasters that shoot sparks..I cannot declare a $4,000 exemption like Santorum does. And I own a condo, and grow tomatoes and veggies on the roof solarium, but I cannot deduct my condo as a "farm"as an incentive like Bachmann does on her home. I cannot deduct lavish dinners, with fine wines, caviar, etc from my taxes as "business expenses" although lavish lunches and dinners are totally business related like many politicans and wealthy people use them for and found deductible by the IRS. Your slavish consent to have political figures get every known deduction over and above their obscenely high salaries, is a great source of anger to Americans, and should be to you also. I guess you think you deserve to pay more taxes than GE or someone making millions per year?
If you donate $4,000 worth of stuff, you can claim that deduction. If you use enough of your property for crops, you can claim the farm deduction. If you throw lavish dinners to boost business, you can claim a deduction for them. Every one of the deductions you mentioned is available to you. You just never spend the money needed to qualify.
That dog won't hunt. While Democrats will always accept the "Republicans are obstructing us" excuse, GOP politicians feel a bit more urgency because their base will thrown them overboard.
These are stand alone Health Clinics, not Hospital ER's. Illegals use the hospital ER's because they can. If it's NOT a life threatening emergency the Hospital ER's should have to redirect them to the aforementioned health clinics. That system would work just fine. Hospital ER's having to treat an illegal kid with the sniffles is just plain ignorant.
