if adam and eve were the first humans

The question is, where and when is "Ricky"?

 

Lucy you got some splainin to do!!!!

 

The first step is to realize that the Bible is an ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tale. It has very little to do with non-Jews. The Jews considered themselves to be men; they did not consider non-Jews to be men.

The Adam & Eve story represents the creation of the Jewish identity. Eden was a city in what's now Iraq. It was destroyed by the Assyrians. The God character was the Assyrian-Babylonian emperors who controlled the Middle East. Adam & Eve were either the original rulers of Eden or the Assyrian puppets who were disposed and spread throughout the region.

Later on in the Bible the entire area was referred to as the Garden of Eden, including the city of Tyre on the Mediterranean coast.

The Bible chronicles the lives of the decendents of Adam and Eve, ending with Jesus who is the new Adam or new Jew.

The Israelites/Hebrews/Jews were never a real independent country. They were always some other empire's vassals.

There was no magical invisible sky deity leading them around. They took orders from whichever strong man was in control at the time and they called him "God".

 

See now I heard the creation story in genesis was actually copied from another culture.

 

so how did they reproduce?

 

How did who reproduce, and with whom?

 

Some simple explanation for creationists: the major , biggest , most important step from our common ancestor with the chimps to human is bipedality , each and every great ape species that lived and walked in two legs are in our line .
Brain size and the rest came much much later , usually brain size is associated with the use of tools that gave us access to meat and grown our brain at the expense of our guts , remember a body must be energy efficient at all times , something grows bigger = something grows smaller.
Nobody says that we come from Lucy , she is just another specimen half the way between the time humans and chimps split and today .

 

Edit: Misread that originally.

 

Adam and Eve if they had 60k years between them.

 

Just going with the Bible alone, I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were not the first humans. If we take into account that the first couple chapters of Genesis are chronologically correct as most Christians tend to believe, then we can clearly see that there were humans populating the Earth before Adam and Eve. God's first mention of "humans" or "man" if you will was in Chapter 1, Verse 26...

1:26. Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
1:27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
1:28. And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."

Adam and Eve aren't even mentioned until Chapter 2, Verse 7...

2:7. Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
2:8. And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

It would seem to me that there is a pretty clear distinction as to why people typically refer to Adam as the first human. Maybe the Bible is only a chronicle of a certain race of people, rather than a collection that documents the entire history of the human race. In other words, it's a chronicle of the people who were utilizing this specific book for religious and spiritual purposes.

Who knows...

 

Are you talking about the original Hebrew texts or the translated English texts?

 

Basically, we are all the product of an incestuous relationship.

 

Excellent point! I would be more than curious to know what the original Hebrew texts said, as the examples I listed come from the English translations.

Would something like this suffice? http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm I would be more than curious to know if the translations are 100% correct, but at first glance the timeline and verses seem to coorelate pretty well.

 

They didn't reproduce with eachother, obviously.

 

The Adam and Eve story isn't about all of humanity. It is about the lineage of the Jews from the first one, Adam, to Jesus. All of the main characters in the Bible are Israelites/Hebrews/Jews. Not one of them is a Gentile.

As I pointed out before, the Jews didn't consider Gentiles to be "men". They only considered other Jews to be worthy of being called "men".

Luke 3:38 (CEDV) = Enosh, and Seth. The family of Jesus went all the way back to Adam and then to God.

Read that verse again. It says "the family of Jesus went all the way back to Adam and then to God."

It doesn't say anything about any other people outside of that group being related to Adam.

And consider what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:45 (CEV) = The first man was named Adam, and the Scriptures tell us that he was a living person. But Jesus, who may be called the last Adam, is a life-giving spirit.

So if the first man was Adam and the family of Jesus went all the way back to him how do you fit in? The answer is that you don't. That's because if you did then it would say something to the effect that we can trace all of our ancestors back to Adam. But it doesn't say that. What it does say is that only Jesus can trace his ancestors back to Adam.

As the story is written Adam was a Jew before there were Jews. He's not my ancestor and chances are he's not yours either.

 

It's an ethnocentric religious fairy tale. Do you know of any of them that make logical sense?
http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html

 

Again you can't take the English version as literal, but merely as a guide.

 

Couldn't you interpret Adam gave us our Mortal bodies, while Christ gives eternal paradise?

 

So you deny the ideas expressed. What are the correct ideas?

 

You can arrive at that conclusion if you want to. However, that's not what the entire story says.

 

Then lets put it in context

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

When you meet Adam tell him Hi for me.

 

You know what else is straight forward? Those people didn't know what air was, and like the Greeks, had one word for it and spirit, aka "the breath of life."

So, what is spirit? It's a primitive human imagining, a concept with no substance (no pun intended), an idea without merit. You're quoting from writers who thought that there were gates in the dome of the sky through which wind, rain and snow came. Why bother with any of this?

 

I've asked countless people why the believe in the ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tale above all others and not one of them has ever given a reasonable (to me) answer. Chances are you won't get a satisfactory answer either.

 

Some wise words I recall hearing state: You can't reason someone out of something that they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. I've forgotten the source of the quotation.