America - A White Christian Nation!

Q. If the First Amendment states there is to be a separation of church and state, how can The Knights explain their goal of a Christian government?

A. We suggest you read the article Separation of Church and State: A Diabolical Lie. Not just The Knights, but many historians and well known religious leaders and constitutional attorneys all agree that the United States was founded as a Christian nation. The Supreme Court has even ruled that indeed America was founded as a Christian nation. We are not trying to change America, but rather return it to it’s original form.

Also, while we are bringing up this subject we must discuss the Treaty of Tripoli. This is what naysayers like to point to when we say that the United States was founded as a Christian nation. It is the only thing they can point to, but as you will see, they have nothing to base their opinion on.

The 1797 treaty was one of several that America negotiated with Muslim nations in which five Muslim countries were using pirates to attack the property and interests of what they called the “Christian” nations, including America. Not only were their cargoes easy prey but the Barbary Powers were also capturing and enslaving “Christian” seamen.

The anti-American actions began under Washington and several times the U.S. had tried to reach settlements by paying the Muslims huge sums of money. But the Treaty of Tripoli was signed under the presidency of Adams. And both Jefferson and Adams were upset that U.S. merchant sailors were being viewed as wimps by the Muslims. While discussing the Barbary conflict with Jefferson, Adams declared:
The policy of Christendom has made cowards of all their sailors before the standard of Mahomet. It would be heroical and glorious in us to restore courage to ours.

If the treaty was signed by Adams, does this mean that Adams agreed that the United States was not a Christian nation? No. it was Adams who declared:
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature.

So then why would he sign a treaty that said differently?
Here is the part of the treaty that atheists refer to.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

However, I do want to point out that in 1805 under Jefferson, that the treaty was renegotiated and the clause stating that “. . . the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion . . .” was deleted.

But back to the signing of the treaty and why would a devout Christian such as Adams who had said that the United States was founded on Christianity state otherwise?
The United States was not involved in a Holy War. The founding fathers believed in no entangling alliances with other nations. They looked for an expedite way to handle problems. The Muslim nations felt that my attacking the hated Christians, they would receive special favor from Allah.

To some it would seem that the authors of the treaty were being dishonest. After all, the state constitutions, laws, and writings of the founders clearly prove that Christianity was the prevailing faith of the land and that the common law upon which the laws of the states were founded were based upon Holy Scripture.

However, in dealing with these murderous Muslim nations, the treaty authors were quite clever. The Muslim nations, not understanding that the federal government did not constitute the government in its entirety were led to believe that they would receive no divine reward by plundering U.S. ships and murdering U.S. sailors.
The United States Constitution did not establish a religion. Why? Because the federal government was not intended to be the government. It merely represented the rights of the state governments. That is what “United States” in United States of America means. State governments came together and in essence pooled their resources and hired a security guard to protect their combined interests. That is the scope of the federal government – to provide for the safety of the state governments. The Bill of Rights DOES NOT say what the states can do. It says what the federal government CAN NOT do! They can’t establish a religion. Why? It is because the states had already established their religion; the Christian religion. No public office holder could be given a religious test – that is be tested according to denominational tenants. And not to interject something else into this discussion, but this is why states can not use state’s rights as an excuse for restricting gun ownership. The Bill of Rights speaks of unalienable rights. If the federal government can’t restrict gun ownership because it is a God given right, than obviously the states can’t restrict it either. There are some rights that are God given and no government whether state or federal can take it away.

The states which formed the United States understood the chaos that came out of Europe’s mandated denominational system. As Noah Webster explained:
The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical governments are not the Christian religion but abuses and corruptions of it.
Daniel Webster similarly explained that American Christianity was:
Christianity to which the sword and the fagot [burning stake or hot branding iron] are unknown – general tolerant Christianity is the law of the land!
The states would be Christian, but would allow each person to decide for themselves what particular sect they would belong to. And they acknowledged that no one would be forced to be a Christian. This was the idea of the liberty of conscience. This did not, however, mean that the laws would not be based upon Christian principles. What an individual may or may not believe does not interfere with the foundation of a governing body should that body be based upon certain guidelines

In fact, the Northwest Ordinance, signed by Washington as the first major federal bill was drafted at the same time as the First Amendment. The act stipulated that for a territory to become a State, the “schools and the means of education” in that territory must encourage the “religion, morality, and knowledge” that was “necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind.” Conforming to this requirement, numerous subsequent State constitutions included that clause, and it still appears in State constitutions today. Furthermore, that law is listed in the current federal code, along with the Constitution, the Declaration, and the Articles of Confederation, as one of America’s four “organic” or foundational laws.

General Eaton was the man who was finally given the duty by President Jefferson to end the attacks upon Christian sailors by the use of military means. Although the Treaty of Tripoli had used some fancy footwork by saying the United States government – as in the federal government – was not based upon Christianity, it did not work. The Muslim nations knew that the United States of America was a Christian nation, no matter what any treaty might say. It was all just semantics and they weren’t buying into it. The Muslims would continue to attack the Christian nation and the U.S. would not take decisive military action.

When General Eaton finally started his military action against Tripoli, his personal journal noted:
April 8th. We find it almost impossible to inspire these wild bigots with confidence in us or to persuade them that, being Christians, we can be otherwise than enemies to Musselmen. We have a difficult undertaking!

May 23rd. Hassien Bey, the commander in chief of the enemy’s forces, has offered by private insinuation for my head six thousand dollars and double the sum for me a prisoner; and $30 per head for Christians. Why don’t he come and take it?

All of the documentation surrounding the Treaty of Tripoli prove rather than disprove that the United States was a Christian nation and the war was between a Christian nation and Muslim nations.

 

North Korea was founded as a totalitarian (nominally, imo) socialist state. This makes it justified I suppose?
Were the Founding Fathers (worshipped in the USA as Lenin in the USSR ironically) even Christian? Only some I believe. Others were deist. Maybe you can correct me.

Constitutionalism. con·sti·tu·tion·al·ism/ˌkänstəˈt(y)o͞oSHənlˌizəm/
1. The idea that because a bunch of men wrote something down on a piece of paper some time ago, it makes it all legitimate and justified. (See also, appeal to authority).

 

I utterly disagree with this entire OP and the agenda being advanced. With equal passion I support the author's right to express controversial ideas. I hope that the moderators will be as willing to tolerate this thread as they do the many white hating threads that get posted here.

 

Would these Knights be "Knights in White Satin"?

 

All of this, of course, ignores that the revolution would never have happened were it not for one Jew.

 

Yee-haw!

I do adore me some grown men who dress up in sheets.

The KKK has a goal of a Christan government? What a unique statement, considering their most un-Christ-like behaviors and attitudes of hatred.

 

WAYYYYYYYY too much text partner. I didn't even attempt to read your post after I noticed its length.

The only people who don't want to think of America as a Christian nation (outside of those controlled by political correctness) are the atheists.

I'm sure that other religions realize as well as I do, that our nation has a HUGE underpinning of Christian principles. No one with a brain would deny that.
And I'm confident that other religions don't mind if we're a "Christian nation" whatever that means. (it certainly doesn't mean that the Bible is where we get our Dept of Transportation information)
Because most religious people know that BEING a Christian nation, we welcome anyone to our shores as long as they come legally. (well, MOST Christians are actually Christian anyway )

 

I suppose we should give the OP author some credit for not being afraid to voice his position.

Compared to...? I'm easily irritated by unfinished sentences.

 

Why don't you list every one of those Christian principles, and their coordinates in the Bible?

 

Because you already know them. How stupid do you think I think you are?

Don't try to kid a kidder, kid.

 

In REYNOLDS v. U.S. the US Supreme Court determined otherwise.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=98&invol=145

In the definative decision that "religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God" as cited in the Supreme Court decision related to the 1st Amendment's protection of Religious Freedom the term "God" is purely subjective based upon the beliefs of the Individual. For Christians personal religious beliefs would all relate to the "God of Abraham" based upon the Bible but that does not establish that America was founded upon the Christian God of Abraham as it does not. A person can believe the Flying Spaghette Monster is "God" and their beliefs under the US Constitution are equally valid when compared to the Christian beliefs.

The very wording of the US Constitution establishes that the United States is not a "Christian nation" and many of those responsible for the founding of America were Diests and not Christians. The Diests, such as Thomas Jefferson, would never have agreed to the United States being established as a Christian nation, ever.

We need only remember that the very colonization of America from the Pilgrams forward was often related to escaping "Christian" persecution. The founders were very much aware of this and wanted to ensure that Christian persecution would never be allowed to exist in the United States.

Sadly, in spite of the protection of Freedom of Religion established by the First Amendment, there has been extensive religious persecution in the United States based upon Christian theocracy which has been incorporated into our statutory laws.

 

Many of our forebears came to America to ESCAPE from the sort of white Christianity being practiced in Europe and especially the British Isles. I certainly don't want any part of white Christianity.

 

Grand Wizard... is that you??

 

What? 'compared to a' is Greek for "Liberals aren't bad people, it's that Liberalism is based on fear".

 

I never meant to sound rude, and I'm still somewhat lost.

 

No Phoebe, the Bump of your name must have been on your head and must have mixed up your thinking.--You said "escape from the sort of white Christianity". Well, I also would want to escape that SORT of white Christianity, since it was almost as absurd as atheism. (well not really close to absurd as atheism, but I wanted to say that for effect, you know?)

And then you talk about "white Christianity" which you don't want any part of. You're kind of mixing thoughts...you dig? (that SORT of Christianity is not identical to "Christianity")

And anyway, you don't understand what Christianity is all about. You're are, in a religious sense, like those racists that liberals talk about who "judge a black man just because other black men have generated a high crime rate %". I wouldn't think you'd want to be like that.

 

I hear them good ole boys like to wear thongs under those robes.

On a more serious note, I read recently that mentally ill people tend to suffer from something called 'cluster psychoses'.
It means that those who are sick racists are usually also religious bigots, homophobes and cowards.
That's why whack jobs tend to share a similar set of character defects.

 

Actually, I really don't know what they are. I'm genuinely confused as to how the founding principles of our nation are exclusively Christian.

 

They were not as the founders of America had far too many examples of the tyranny of Christianity historically. The founders opposed the tyranny of a government based upon religious beliefs and the First Amendment actually prohibits it.

 

They were not as the founders of America had far too many examples of the tyranny of Christianity historically. The founders opposed the tyranny of a government based upon religious beliefs and the First Amendment actually prohibits it.

 

Liberalism is based on fear? What fear then?
I always thought of conservatism as fear.
Fear of big government. Fear of communism. Fear of withering away of traditional values. And so forth.
In contrast, social liberalism (as well as classical liberalism for that matter) explores generally new ideas and praxis.

Maybe I'm wrong though, hence my inquiry.

 

Please don't tell me what Christianity is all about when I've had a whole lot more experience with it than you have.

 

Our country was founded upon Enlightenment ideals. Why anyone would say differnt is beyond me.

 

was Jesus ever mentioned in any of the founders documents?

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

""Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." "

 

An excellent link disproving the claims of Fundamenatlist Christians that grossly misrepresent the foundation for government in America. The founders rejected Christianity as well as all other religions as being a foundation for our government and nation. The link clearly documents that rejection.