Question for Independents and Political Outsiders

Hello,

I am not speaking to Tea Party Republicans, but the people who truly feel that prior to the SCOTUS decision were independents and political outsiders. You know who you are: the anarchists, Ron Paul supporters, OWS'rs, true independents, libertarians, freaks, geeks, and otherwise political degenerates.

In other words, my peoples.

How did the decision make you feel and why?

 

You should have included a "didn't change my voting plans" option. I can't answer your poll.

 

Technically, it didn't make me want to vote for anyone, since I already wanted to vote Paul/Johnson, but I marked them.

 

Well...hmmm...if you feel like sharing you can.

 

If I was American I would not vote. Or maybe I would vote for the Greens, that are probably the closest to my ideology. But if I vote I would be an hipocrit, and probably it would answer to some weird strategy quite hard to explain, and basically based in my experience in the Spanish system that is not appliable to the American, so if I have to act according to my ideology, I would not vote anyone.

 

It was weird; I felt deeply offended and yet not surprised at the same time.

 

It made me want to laugh. I'm a nihilist. It also made my head hurt trying to think about people who actually tried to read the bill; the same effect it had on Nancy Pelosi.

 

Not surprised but furious.

 

Not surprised, wanting to say "I told you so". Want to vote for Paul, but will have to vote for Johnson.

 

With the choice between Romney and Obama, I would certainly like to see Ron Paul as our next President. However, I do not think he has enough backing to win the election. With Romney, I'm not sure what we would get, but I know what we would get if Obama is reelected and I don't think our country can survive another 4 years of him.

 

What about Gary Johnson? Everyone says next time..next time and allow the Two Party clones to keep screwing us up the butt. It's never the right time except the time we choose. It could be the perfect time to mobilize people to make a true third choice and scare the pants off the establishment.

I don't think Romney is any different than any other Republican or Democrat candidate put forward in the last two decades. His record as a governor and as a businessman ought to provide a clear example of his policies. He and Leave A Cancer Stricken Wife Gingrich were my least two Republicans in the running.

Anyway...

 

It converted me into a political nihilist.

I just don't care about our country going into the shxxter. I will suffer too but it's worth it, Americans are retarded and deserve to feel the pain from their stupidity.

 

I sort of want Obama to get his full 8 years to see how long the blame can continue to be placed elsewhere. If Romney wins and the status quo continues, democrats will still have faith in their ideas of progress.

 

I'm somewhere along this path, myself. I want to watch it all fall to pieces so Democrats and Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. The keep voting in the worst of the worst under this selfish idea that its "better than the other guy".

 

It made me feel angry. I didn't feel like I was "betrayed", as if John Roberts somehow owed his vote to the conservative view, but because it seemed to me an unjust way to rule on the law. he reasoned that the penalty was "basically a tax", but it wasn't written as a tax so I don't see how it can be legalized as a tax. The justices were in broad agreement, however, that they did not have the power to pass this law based on the commerce clause. Even so, this still is of questionable reasoning. They are going to tax an absence. This sets a NEW legal precedent that the government can tax something that doesn't exist. It can now lay a tax for people not owning guns, or not buying broccoli.

And while I'm a diehard Republican, it's only because I'm a libertarian and have come to the conclusion that the Democrats will betray our philosophy at every turn. The Republican party, at the very least, supports our general goal of a smaller federal government.

 

I wish more people understood this precedence. Roberts didn't "owe" the Republicans anything. The fact that they thought he did or are happy he didn't "betray Republicans" shows what they think of our political and judicial process--that it can and ought to be "bought". I am angry over the ruling.

And I am sad that others are not and see it as a political victory for Republicans that will smooth the way for Romney into the White House.

Those people having a victory dance should little political integrity and I'm pretty much disappointed in them.

 

I see an America that has a destiny. There is a clear path we are being taken down and I don't see anything like pesky voters getting in the way of that path. So caring is wasted energy.

Of course the voters could rise up but they never will. See my avatar, that's where they are getting their information. I mean give me a break. People are slowly waking up but I see a window of when we can turn it around and when we're screwed, and I don't see Americans waking up in time.

 

I'm amazed by people like you. How long will people keep falling for the GOP's carny act?

Please explain to me, in specific terms, how the Republican party supports a smaller federal government.

 

This 'tax' will open a Pandora's box. Just wait, people will wish they'd never even touched this.

 

I've had a bit of a busy time, so I haven't been able to finish reading the opinion yet.

From what I do know of it, it has not affected my political opinions at all. I feel the Supreme Court had solid legal precedent for the ruling (including precedent I was not familiar with).

What it has done, is made me far more depressed about the state of politics in the country, that each side is now trying to claim that the justices were working for them, rather than for the law to which they are beholden. That is a truly frightening attitude, as the courts do not have any means of enforcing their rulings on the other branches, outside of public opinion. Moreover, I have seen less than half a dozen people on this forum who acknowledge even the possibility, that Supreme Court Justices know more about the law than them.

My decision on who I am voting for has already been heavily effected prior to this ruling. I have not fully made my decision, however much I lean towards one candidate. Likely, my decision will be made more certain as events progress towards the election, based on a number of factors.

Fortunately for all candidates involved, the attitudes of their supporters does not effect my decision regarding them, except to the extent that it effects them.

Hope that answers your question.

 

My tin foil hat tells me this was the intention all along.

 

Factchecker,

do you consider yourself an "independent"? This was more so that I could get a feel for what all of us surrounding this are working through internally. I've had people try to convince me that since I am a libertarian I need to vote Romney who is as far from Libertarian principles as Obama. They think libertarian = Republican and really only in the case of Ron Paul is that remotely true.

 

I am definitely an independent

edit: Although, I haven't had the problem you have, where I'm told I should vote for X because of my beliefs. More often I'm told who I am voting for, which is quite amusing.

 

I say "Independent" loosely because all "Independents" have some leanings. I also am considered by the media as an Independent, which to them is "anyone not a registered Republican or Democrat". That's a subtle, Jedi-Mind-Trick way of telling you that you and your vote doesn't count if you're not one of the Big Two.

Well, I won't predict who you will vote for. I hate when people assume I'll vote Obama because I hate Romney. I have to explain that, yes, there are other options.

 

I haven't fully digested the ruling, but it's interesting that it's now being considered a tax. The SCOTUS only ruled on the Constitutionality of the issue, not on its soundness as policy. IOW, we don't HAVE to go down this path...the SCOTUS doesn't make law. It could be undone if the balance of power in Congress was aligned to do so.

Ron Paul had some interesting comments on the ruling. Being a physician, he is uniquely qualified to comment on the whole health care issue.

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WASHINGTON, DC – Congressman Ron Paul issued the following statement on the Supreme Court's decision to uphold most of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

"I strongly disagree with today’s decision by the Supreme Court, but I am not surprised. The Court has a dismal record when it comes to protecting liberty against unconstitutional excesses by Congress.

"Today we should remember that virtually everything government does is a 'mandate.' The issue is not whether Congress can compel commerce by forcing you to buy insurance, or simply compel you to pay a tax if you don’t. The issue is that this compulsion implies the use of government force against those who refuse. The fundamental hallmark of a free society should be the rejection of force. In a free society, therefore, individuals could opt out of “Obamacare” without paying a government tribute.

"Those of us in Congress who believe in individual liberty must work tirelessly to repeal this national health care law and reduce federal involvement in healthcare generally. Obamacare can only increase third party interference in the doctor-patient relationship, increase costs, and reduce the quality of care. Only free market medicine can restore the critical independence of doctors, reduce costs through real competition and price sensitivity, and eliminate enormous paperwork burdens. Americans will opt out of Obamacare with or without Congress, but we can seize the opportunity today by crafting the legal framework to allow them to do so."

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Here's Dr. Paul talking about ObamaCare the day before the SCOTUS ruling.

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