Stringent voter ID law in Pa. could prevent 750,000 from voting

OK. Now make it go into effect next welection cycle so there is more than 4 months to get 750,000 people state ID's.

And after all that and the only fraud that a photo ID requirement might prevent would be voter impersonation—a non-eligible voter impersonating an eligible voter at the polls. This has apparently never happened. Why would it? It is hard to do, and the payoff is practically non-existent.

And if it makes you feel better, here's the video without the video and audio unsynchronized. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsl_TuFdes

 

It does a bit more than that. It makes it harder for people to register under multiple names in multiple districts. It makes harder to vote multiple districts under one name, unless you have different addresses on each of your picture IDs.

As for voter impersonation, right now it is virtually impossible to catch, so there is no way of knowing how much of a problem it actually is.

There have been plenty of elections that fell within a few hundred votes. It would be easy for a few dozen fraudulent voters voting in several districts to tip the scales either direction and actually decide those races.

Anything that can be done to protect the integrity of our voting system is worth doing.

 

Did you miss the 21st Amendment, but the key question as in voter ID are you being descriminated against if you don't have a voter ID. Is requiring an ID to purchase alcohol merely an attempt by whites to prevent blacks and minorities from drinking?

Again the initial civil rights battles and federal involvement had as a key point the refusals of hotels to rent to minorities, never read about the freedom riders? Is it a civil rights violation to not rent a room to someone with an ID because or the claims that blacks and minorities don't have ID's?

You have an EXPLICIT right to keep and bear arms, no such explicit right to vote in the Constitution, so let's not dodge the question this time is it a civil rights violation to require an ID to engage in your right to keep and bear an arm? Are such laws really laws created by whites to prevent blacks and minorities from being able to purchase guns?

 

There are many precincts where the vote is so close all it takes are a few illegal votes to disfranchise the voters.

"Video footage of undercover reporters obtaining New Hampshire primary ballots intended for people who have died may appear shocking, but it is no surprise to Artur Davis, a former Democratic congressman and vocal advocate against voter ID fraud.

The way to prevent this kind of fraud, he told The Daily Caller, is simple: Require identification at the polls. The activists depicted in the film, released exclusively to TheDC on Wednesday, did not bring any proof of identification to polling places. (RELATED: VIDEO: NH poll workers shown handing out ballots in dead peoples’ names)

“Voter fraud is common in many jurisdictions,” David told TheDC. “I’m struck by the people who forcibly argue there’s no such thing, that it never happens. Many jurisdictions are slow to purge their rolls, so people who have been dead for a number of years can still be on those rolls, and people who have died more recently are certainly on them.” (RELATED: Democrat Artur Davis speaks out [VIDEO])

A law requiring voters to present ID, he continued, “is just one more step in the transparency process.”

“You can’t cash a check, enter a lot of private buildings in Washington, D.C. and New York City without one. It’s just not a serious impediment in peoples’ lives.”

When asked if videos such as the one obtained by TheDC will contribute to changing minds about voter fraud, Davis was skeptical. He was, however, positive about the overall chance of passing voter ID laws despite the opposition.

“In my experience, most people who are exposed to voter ID would not change their opinion if someone walked in front of them and admitted they committed voter ID fraud yesterday — they have their heels dug in. A number of people opposed to voter ID are opposed for political reasons, for reasons that don’t have substance.”

“People plead guilty to fraud,” he said, “and that doesn’t seem to move the opinions of some of those opposed.”"
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/former-rep-artur-davis-on-nh-voter-fraud-is-common/

 

How do they cash a check?
Use a credit card?
Apply for school?
Buy beer or alcohol or get served such in a bar or restaurant?
Get a loan?
Buy a gun?
Board a plane?
Apply for government assistance programs?
Get admitted to a hospital?

And on and on and on. It is up to the voter to take the responsible steps to exercise their voting privilege. Having an ID is not an undue burden and in fact is a necessity of everyday life.

 

And again, once again, for the second and final time. You do not have the constitutional right to buy alcohol. You are attempting to equate two inherently unequal things.

You also do not have a constitutional right to rent a hotel room.

Again, if you dislike ID requirements to buy a gun, take it up with the government.

 

Once again, you have as much a right to buy alcohol as vote and the issue is DISCRIMINATION. If it is discrimination to require an ID to buy alcohol why not to vote? Is it all a plot by whites to prevent blacks from buying alcohol?

Then why was it an constitutional issue during the civil rights battles of the 50's and 60's and the issue the Government used to sue for civil rights violations?

So you can't explain your hypocrisy in the matter.

 

Actually, you don't have a constitutional right to vote either.

 

B*llSh*T!

PERHAPS THE DEMS COULD JUST DO A BETTER JOB HERE IN PA EXPLAINING THIS TO THEIR VOTERS!

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml

PER LINK:

$13.50 fee for acquiring an Identification Card will be waived for individuals completing the Oath/ Affirmation Voter ID form. All identification documentation is still required to obtain an Identification Card as follows:

Step1
To obtain a Pennsylvania Photo Identification card, an individual needs to visit a Pennsylvania Department of Transportation Driver License Center with a completed Application for an Initial Photo Identification Card; form DL-54A, and the following:

Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:


Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid U.S. Passport
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS

Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records

*If they do not have a birth certificate with a raised seal and are a Pennsylvania native; and do not have one of the acceptable, alternative forms of photo identification to vote; and will provide a signed oath/affirmation form, when visiting the PennDOT driver license center, they must:


Tell the PennDOT customer service representative they are a Pennsylvania native who needs a photo ID for voting purposes, and do not have a certified copy of their birth certificate;
Sign an oath/affirmation that they do not have an acceptable form of ID for voting purposes and the photo ID is needed for voting purposes;
Show a Social Security card and two proofs of residence, such as a deed, lease, tax bill, or utility bill;
Fill out a DL-54A form requesting a non-driver photo ID and;
Complete the HD01564F (Request for Certification of Birth Record for Voter ID Purposes Only) form, which collects information such as birth name, mother and father's name and place of birth. This Department of Health form is available at all Driver Licensing Centers.

PennDOT will then forward the completed form to the Department of Health, which maintains birth records. After verifying the birth record is on file, the Department of Health will securely transmit this information to PennDOT. PennDOT will then notify them by letter that their birth record has been confirmed. They may then return to any driver license center, with the above noted documentation, to receive your free photo ID for voting purposes. This verification process will take about ten days and does not require the payment of a fee.

TELL ME SOMETHING....WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH THIS? NOTHING. AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT GETTING A FREE ID CARD OTHERWISE EVERY CITIZEN IN PA WOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ABOUT THE DEMS WANTING ILLEGALS TO VOTE FOR THEM...PERIOD.

 

lol, the republicans have already admitted why they are doing it.

[video=youtube;EuOT1bRYdK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8[/video]

The dimwitted and moronic cons on this site are predictably too stupid to understand even plain english.

 

So, I take this to mean that you are proud that illegals vote for your man? I see nothing wrong with someone stating the obvious. What's really dimwitted and moronic is that you find something wrong with this law.

 

You do not need to do 750,000 in one day. Are you saying a person cant do it in four months? If that's pressing the limit of his ability,,, than nobody needs him to vote.....

 

Or getting a job?
Or opening a bank account?
Or getting on an airplane?
Or cashing a check?
Or any of the other activities that require a photo ID that libs don't complain about?

The transparency and disingenuous of the liberal/Democrat argument against voter ID is hilarious. Everyone knows that if getting a photo ID was preventing any Democrat leaning demographic from getting ANYTHING, the libs would be shouting from the rooftops about how we need to provide these poor downtrodden people free photo IDs.

 

"My man" will not even be on the ballot in Pennsylvania.


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What 'illegals' voting?
Still no cases of this rampant 'voter fraud' from the rightists, why doesn't that bother you?
You are using Big Govt. to control people when there is NO problem.
How do you do that?
Does it EVER occur to any of you cons to THINK?
Don't you think it's "dimwitted and moronic" to pass laws you KNOW will exclude people from their right to vote, for NO REASON?

 

Most if not all of the rights targeted group is either too old, too poor, or too young to do most of the things on your spoon fed list.
The only thing that really transparent and disingenuous about this the rightwings effort nation wide to exclude as many voters as they can from their god given right to cast a ballot in AMERICA!

 

It really is quite amusing to watch you guys flail around and grasp at straws to try and make your argument make sense.

But just for fun, please tell me which "rights targeted group" is "too old, too poor, or too young" to buy alcohol, open a bank account, fly on an airplane, cash a check, or any of the other activities I listed.

Hell, ID is even a requirement for applying for welfare.

http://www.welfareinfo.org/

 

And the fraud in those cases are almost always perpetrated by candidates, NOT by your average voter.

 

It's not editing. The audio is out of sync with the video. That is common with YouTube videos.

 

Uh, yes, you absolutely do.

 

That's not true. Have you ever even read the whole constitution?

 

Probably not. Most cons are only familiar with a couple lines from the preamble and then the 2nd Amendment. Even that much is a strenuous amount of reading for someone with a conservative's brain capacity.

 

After my mother died a couple of years ago I had to get the water service to her house put in my name until we sold it. I had to give the woman at the water board and ID to prove who I was in opening the account. Now is this a plot by a bunch of white Republicans to deny waters service to minorities?

 

Ahhh so since blacks do not get jobs, open bank accounts, ride on airplanes or cash checks it is NOT exclusionary and discriminate to require ID's for those everyday life occurrences..............gitcha glad you cleared that up.......

 

Nope you get to vote on things when government says you can and then the only right you have to be treated equally under the law to be allowed to cast your vote. Since EVERYONE is required to show ID, not just a certain group, their is no discrimination in requiring one.

Else please explain why you can be required to show a proper ID to purchase a gun for which you have an EXPLICIT right to do so GUARANTIED in the Constitution. Or is it that just a plot by white Republican's to deny blacks their right to own a gun?