7 killed in terror attack on Israeli tourists in Bulgaria

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3451484,00.html

Also, please read.... http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4096694,00.html

No, it is a sincere question. I am just curious. I will not use your answer in the debate.

If you want, send your answer in a private message.

Or don't answer it at all.

Totally up to you, either way, it will not effect the debate.

 

When you learn some respect and talk like a man instead of a child with little insults, I may reply to you again.

Cheers.

 

About your second link -
first, its "Der Spiegel reports"
second, having a sub that can launch nuclear weapons doesnt mean you have the weapons. right?

About the first link - I already said "i might be mistaken".

And the question - it wouldn't surprise me as nothing surprises me about israel's enemies.
They never seem to care who they hurt.
Civillians, Militery personal, any Israeli/Jew is a target to them.

 

I have no respect for intellectually dishonest weasels. If you fail to admit that the chances of Iran/Hezbollah culpability in the Buenos Aires bombing are overwhelming in light of the Argentina's formal charges and yet you never hesitate to slander Israel based on mere suspicion, hearsay or newspaper speculations, no serious discussion with you is possible. That said I will keep exposing your lies and distortions whenever you post them.

 

Hi Borat.. I would like to ask you about two statements you've made before this:

"PS predictably you've failed, your list of "political assassination" does not have politicians, they are all militants, terrorists, military leaders etc."

"Israel does not target innocent civilians and the enemy's nuclear weapons scientists working on a clandestine illegal program to build nuclear weapons indended to annihilate Israel are not 'civilians' by any stretch of imagination."

Are these people all being terrorists and illegal nuclear weapon producing militants planning on nuking Israel supported by formal charge and/or conviction, or even any forensics evidence?

Also, are all of the Palestinian prisoners Israel holds charged and convicted according to fair due process of law?

 

That's nonsense.

The term has no mention in international law. International law does however discuss the topic using other terminology, where certain actions that can easily produce too many civilian casualties are prohibited e.g. dropping white phosphorous on residential neighborhoods.

Once prohibited actions like these are used, any arguments about it's regrettable and part of war and "expected" fly out the window.

 

International law and the Geneva convention do not declare collateral damage (or civilian casualties if you prefer) to be automatically illegal and/or a war crime, in fact they 'expect' it and merely demand an effort to avoid/minimize it. The use of white phosphrous is not considered illegal either. In Gaza's case it certainly did not lead to mass civilian casualites as your post implies (although you might be able to find a tiny number of victims the overwhelming majority of whom were burned, not killed).

The attack on Israeli tourists on the other hand is undoubtedly and undisputeably a crime against humanity.

 

Try again then, since you try to squirm away...



Do you think(Zionist) Jews(In Israel) should never face consequences, for their actions(to others)?

 

Uri , what's wrong with description -JEWS - ? How else should they be described ?

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In which case , would you also acknowledge IDF attacks on Palestinians as crimes against humanity ?

It works both ways , dont you agree ?


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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...hdi-ghezali-is-burgas-suicide-bomber-1.452314

Still no proof Hezbollah or Iran are behind it. If they are found innocent, will Netanyahu apologize for threatening to get them back?

 

The use of WP as an illuminant-its prime function-is not illegal, however when it was deployed in Gaza it was used in bright sunshine. So what purpose, other than as a weapon, do you suggest it had? http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=wh...=12&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:8,i:176&biw=1024&bih=540

 

so is there a difference between legal and illegal wmds

 

Der Spiegel isn't an unreliable news source, is it?

And let's be honest here, why would "Israel" want submarines with nuclear weapon capabilities if it doesn't have nuclear weapons?

I know, I was just verifying what I said earlier.

Fair enough. Thank you for answering, and as promised, I will leave it at that.

 

Yes but that's not what I was talking about. The actual terminology and label (collateral damage) was being discussed, and you claimed the GC agreements used that term but really they never did. The term doesn't come up in international law.. It's more of a buzzword designed for sugarcoating purposes as was suggested.

It's not illegal on an open battlefield. What I said was, using it on residential neighborhoods is indeed illegal. The manner in which it has been used on some occasions, by Israel or even the United States, is illegal per international law and stands as a war crime.

It has the potential to cause lots of casualties, I didn't say it does in every and all cases of its deployment.

Those weren't tourists. Those were nuclear scientists who were building nuclear weapons with the intention of nuking Tehran. That makes them enemy combatants.

I don't know if you overlooked my post on the bottom of page 13, but I was wondering what the legal status was for those scientists and military leaders, as well as Israeli held Palestinian detainees, in regards to being charged, convicted, or even with forensic evidence against.

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4258061,00.html

 

I think perhaps the police should figure out what material the fake Michigan ID was made from. Considering it survived an bomb explosion large enough to kill 7 people, there should be some interest in the material, no? Especially for bomb units.

 

I was discussing the position of International law and the Geneva Convention on the concept of civilian casualties (aka collateral damage). If you want to play silly word games and split hairs regarding the precise wording or something - be my guest of course, your anti-Israel ilk loves to obfuscate every situation with word manipulation, inconsequential technicalities and hair splitting. You think you are clever but you are not fooling anyone. That the Geneva Convention anticipates civilian casualties and does not automatically criminalize them is the only important thing in this debate...your childish games - not so much.

 

They had a ID because he had to check in.

 

Please re-read the post you quoted, as I feel you might of misunderstood what I said.

Thank you.

 

Predictably you have ignored the 27 Israeli Pilots who disagree with your position and have not addressed a single point I have made.

The Israeli assassinations given you does have "political leaders" on the list.

It is funny that on your "dont allow" list are many things that the Israeli's have done.

Hypocritical apoligetics at it's finest.

 

Wrong by a whole lot,
The Assassins used their martyr tactics to pursue political ends, spreading terror and awe through the crowds who bore witness to their attacks. The sect was eventually wiped out by the invading Mongol hordes in 1257, but its legacy would continue centuries later.

The development of gunpowder made it possible for martyrs to yield even greater results. Japanese kamikaze pilots used suicide tactics during World War II. Inspired by dedication to their emperor and their traditional code of honor, they crashed explosive-laden planes directly into enemy ships.

Source: Common World War 2 history knowledge and http://science.howstuffworks.com/suicide-bomber3.htm

 

You were discussing word choice. Between you and I, YOU were the one to first quibble terminology.. Have a look in the history of the thread. Original comment to prompt:

Giftedone: "Apologists use words like "collateral damage"in order sweeten the bad taste of these actions but it is killing of innocents all the same."

Your response: "Collateral damage is the term used by the Geneva convention, not by apologists and regrettably it's expected during military operations or wars."

As you can see you CLEARLY argued the label, I simply pointed out you were wrong insodoing. Since you started quibbling symantics before me, it's silly for you to accuse me of trying to split hairs.

Nevertheless splitting hairs is all we've got left to do if you don't address the meat of the topic. If you don't want to quibble symantics then fine, but address the points instead.

Please address the illegality and war crime status of use of white phosphorous on residential neighborhoods.

Also, since you objected when people accused Israelis of doing bad things shy of formal charges being filed in court, then please justify your own passing of judgement on Arabs you openly condemn.. The nuclear scientists you claim are intent on building nukes for the sole purpose of nuking Israel, the people killed in Israeli assassination strikes, and Palestinian detainees held by Israel. PLEASE show me where these have been formally charged in court, or convicted or you've got real world forensics evidence for.

 

It would be interesting to look into each of their lives, in great detail.

Who knows what paper trail it would lead to.

 

i didnt read the rest of your posts, but are you saying that the people who were involved in the terror attack were nuclear scientists?
an 11 year old kid is anuclear scientist?
a 44 year old lady who was pregnent from what i heared but im not sure if its right is a nuclear scientist?
those were most of the people practicly kids, ages 10-30, some were over those ages but there were an 11 people family on that bus, were they all nuclear scientists?

if i didnt understand what you wrote im sorry cause i didnt read you other posts, but if your are saying what i think you are saying, you have major problems dude.