Gun crazy points gun at cops... Gets executed. I guess guns do keep you safe.

This may come as a shock to you but that type of thing happens on this forum all the time.

 

This is a "statistic" I hadn't heard before. Or is it just an opinion?

 

why would the cops not identify themselves. I'd have a gun in that situation possibly. Someone at the door in early early morning. Something just doesn't sound right here.

As far as the GZ/TM thing. If there were no gun then i believe TM would have successfully killed GZ by blunt force trauma.

 

police should identify themselves in such a situation. This isn't good. They are to protect the public and they killed an innocent resident who didn't know what was happening. Too many occurences known as swatting nowadays. Police are easily used to assassinate one's enemies by false reporting.

 

i blame both sides in this situation, this is a very grey area. police need to get their (*)(*)(*)(*) straight before going to someones house looking for a murderer and this dude apparently just didnt have common sense. i dont expect him to know they were cops or anything, but if someone is knocking at your door at 130am and you dont know who it is and they are not identifying themselves, why in the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you gonna open the door???

and to the cops, they need to think about matters more instead of just getting an address and ready to fire. i mean come on, i could google the address and find out (*)(*)(*)(*) about the owner and make sure they fit the description im looking for.

 

I agree. Well I would say the home owner was more to blame from what we know at this time. It is appropriate for the police to be investigated and to see what exactly happened. I'm sure all parties can find something to learn from this situation.

 

Yep. The homeowner had the right idea, but basically on his part came down to a very bad decision of opening the door for someone who wasn't announcing who was there. Police screwed up by what I say going on a hunch and not doing the research they obviously should have.

One guy lost his life for making a dumb decision, and the cops should be reviewed and punishment should be served for negligence basically. I blame the officer who made the decision to send units to a house not knowing fully who was inside.

 

Your right, you usually end up dead in the story.

 

Most people who know they are police don't point there guns at them.

Don't follow/chase people who are minding their own business, because when they are grown men they will shoot you.

 

Well you are half right. The police learned it is possible to make a major mistake, be a total incompetent, kill somebody, and still have nothing to worry about if they keep their story straight (unless they personally get sued and lose a civil case), but the dead guy didn't learn anything because, well, he's "dead!"

 

No he wouldn't have, because the coward would have never got out of his truck if he didn't have a gun. That gun gave him courage which is why he went after him.

 

On May 5, 2010, at 9:30 a.m. in Tucson, a multi-agency SWAT team served a search warrant at the home of Jose Guerena (a Guerena case archive may be found here). Guerena, a former Marine combat veteran, was sound asleep, having returned home from the midnight shift at a local copper mine only a short time earlier.

Guerena’s wife Vanessa saw armed men in the front yard and woke Jose, who had time only to hide her and their son in a closet as far from the front door as possible and to take up a rifle to meet the unknown threat. Jose would not take his rifle off safe or fire a shot. Smashing in the door, five members of the SWAT team fired 71 rounds into the home, shredding it from floor to ceiling and wall to wall. They hit Jose 22 times and denied him medical care for more than 74 minutes, ensuring his death. They even managed to shoot the front door, doorframe, and the walls around the door multiple times. Miraculously, Vanessa and her son were not harmed.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/swat-and-the-second-amendment/?singlepage=true

 

How in the world could you possibly know this?

 

If you would be so foolish as to open your front door while pointing a gun at those knocking, without even checking to see who it is, then you would certainly be better off not owning a firearm.

Owning a firearm, like owning a car, entails considerable responsibility for the owner.

 

SBB cares nothing for those pesky things called facts.

 

just like black gangs and thugs wouldnt be talking (*)(*)(*)(*) and trying to hurt people if they didnt have guns or if it was a 10 on 1 fight. guns give them courage, thats why they commit so many crimes every day and kill all people of color on a daily basis. but hey, lets ignore that, only white people and "white hispanics" are the bad people with guns.

 

Why are people not protesting outside of Walmart everyday? They sell guns, knives, and baseball bats...
Personally, it's a persons mentality that takes a gun to kill someone. If it wasnt,and guns just killed people, more police forces would be more like Britain, right?

 

Because 2+2=4 all around the world.

 

I agree.

Wow did I say guns only give whites and white Hispanics courage, man I am posting stuff nowadays and I didn't even know it.

 

you can have a gun at the ready, but not have issues, if you are fast at the ccw draw. But if you're not, you end up scared when you don't need to be, and you have your gun out when it doesn't need to be. So you can get shot, or charged with assault or 'brandishing" So put in a few score hours practing your ccw draw with an airsoft. it will cost you almost nothing and can easily save your life.

 

My last sentence was more general, more towards the media and it's selective outrage.

I don't know about you brotha, but in 1 week in the same neighborhood 2 kids were killed because of gang activity. The kids didn't have anything to do with it,the 15 year old girl was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and the 7 year old lil girl was sleeping in her bed when she we shot during a drive by. But I am sorry, 2 total morons, GZ and TM, don't mean (*)(*)(*)(*) to me because they did what they did over what ever "man issues" they felt they had to prove. But 2 truly innocent children died over the stupidity of gang activity??? Yeah, if there was a reason to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing get mad and start riots,protests, demand more action, and go on a witch hunt......These 2 childrens lives are worth it, and so are the future children who will eventually be shot because some dumb ass in blue was aiming for another dumb ass in red because he felt dissed.

Man (*)(*)(*)(*) that (*)(*)(*)(*), why wont at least you see the media only uses stories that are good for ratings, something they can build up, especially something they can create division over???? No offense but what is worse Brutha, a 7 year old getting blasted in her bed over something she had nothing to do with, or 2 dumbasses going at each other and one of them ending up dead? WHY ISNT THIS 7 YEAR OLD CHILDS MURDER BIG NEWS????

 

Oh I agree with you the media only does it because it sells. I am a firm believer that the punishment that these cowards get in many cases is to light. I think if they start putting some of these cowards to death or start treating them like prisoners are treated in 3rd world countries a lot of these senseless killing will come to an end. I also believe that if you could get the drugs and the guns out of the communities it would be a lot of it to an end. The drugs is the main catalyst behind a lot of this gangbanging crap.

 

Death is too quick, I like your 3rd world prison idea though. Getting the drugs out of the neighborhoods though, I dont even have a clue on where to start with that honestly. So far we only have 2 choices, make the (*)(*)(*)(*) legal or continue with the failed war on drugs. Neither really seems like a truly great idea.

 

Can't say I've ever answered the door with a gun in my hand.

Maybe I'm in the minority? I don't think its a common thing for anyone I know.

I do, however, have a gun within reach of the door.

 

I agree. If I was beating on a strangers door at 1:30 in the morning, I would expect to be greeted at the door with a gun. If these policemen did not identify themselves and state their business regarding their probable cause to enter the man's house, they are guilty of manslaughter at least. It will be interesting to see how this one pans out. That said, the guy was foolish in opening the door to strangers in the middle of the night with a gun and not being prepared to use it.