Eagle Scouts return medals over organization’s anti-gay stance

I hear you.
Sunday school is the same way.

 

Does it matter? Do you think it's ok to dislike or hate homosexuals simply because they are homosexual?

 

Hating a group of people because they are not like you is very Christian of you.

 

So hypothetically, your ok with Jonny joining the BSA at 8 years old, being a Scout for 8 years, then being thrown out and shunned from the BSA at 16 years old because he turns out to be a Homosexual?

 

that's ridiculous. But you must think that way because you view yourself as so enlightened and superior.

 

new converts. freshmeat.

Misery loves company.

 

Not at all. All one has to do is read the posts from most folks in this thread to come to my conclusion.

 

as opposed to muslims preaching kill all homos and doing it?

 

i don't come to your conclusion.

 

So you also believe all homosexuals simply just want to rape young boys too. Quite sad really.

 

you should practice what you preach. Oh right you;re not christian. But you don't mind telling christians how to behave. While YOU DO exactly what you tell them not to do.

 

WTF do Muslims have to do with the BSA not allowing gays to join? Please try to stay focused on the subject of this thread.

 

Oh I am Christian, but I don't hate people simply because a preacher said Jesus wants us too.

 

Walter. You brought up Christians. If you don't want me to go there then don't bring in the christian factor. go back and read your posts. ' I just want to know why christians keep preaching their lifestyles to children, what's in it for them',.....waaaaaaaaah.

 

a christian who misrepresents the bible. okay.

 

I wish people would leave Jesus out of this one, unless you have a signed affidavit from him or something.

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and can do what it wants. Just like Eagle Scouts can give back their badges if they want. People have to be true to themselves.

I don't think that gay kids should be kicked out, but that's not my call to make. I'm not a boy and don't have a boy child, so essentially I have no dog in this fight. I think that lesbian scoutmasters or den mothers hurt no one, but ...not my call.

I am wavering on the gay scout master for teen boys--only if it is true that they share a tent, and this is also because I know I would not want a girl scout's father to sleep in the same tent as teen girls.

However, still not my call to make.

 

Where in the bible does it say I must hate homosexuals?

 

As was pointed out earlier, the Boy Scouts is a lot more about camping than the Cub Scouts or Webelos is. It's also for older boys. Boys old enough to be attractive to gay men. And let's not call the men pedophiles, because I don't think that it's particularly deviant for a gay man to be attracted to an older boy. Lots - lots - of heterosexual men are attracted to older girls, even if they won't admit it. And it's ok, I think, as long as it's strictly looking and not touching. Because in a teenager, you can clearly see the man/woman that they are becoming, and it's a beautiful thing. It's ok to find that attractive. But teenagers can get carried away and do stupid things incredibly willingly, and adults should not take advantage of them during this time. When he or she gets a little older and has some more sense about them, if they're still into you then, then whatever.

It is important to protect teenagers from adults that will bend the age rule. And so, the best way - the least humiliating way for all those involved - to achieve this protection is to simply say that were going to avoid any possibility of foul play all around.

Was he at camp during the day and left at night? Or did he stay in town all weekend and just came back to pick you up? Because there's a difference.

I could find my way to some sort of compromise here. If a gay man wanted to work at one of the big summer camps, or come to the local camporees, I'd be ok with that I suppose, as long as he was clearly sleeping elsewhere than the campsites. It would also be fine if he wanted to join the troop leadership and work with the boys at weekly meetings. (A lot of parents do this: come to meetings but skip the camping.) But to take the boys out in the woods for a whole weekend once a month where you are really all by yourself - no established camp community - you really need to not be gay. Again, it's not because I don't trust men as a rule. Most people can leave the teenagers alone. But sometimes, you just can't trust men.

I don't think it's too much to ask a gay man to recuse himself from getting that close to the boys. Heterosexual men are expected to do exactly that with the girls.

 

Sure why not? Isn't that what freedom is all about? Should we not choose to like or dislike or do we need some PC monkey to tell what we should or shouldn't like? On the flip side, what the hell has the homosexual community ever done that I should like them for? So far from what I've seen of that community, they have done nothing at all that would give me a reason to like them.

 

If your preacher is telling you to hate anyone, I suggest going to another church. That's not what Christianity is about. But that doesn't mean you excuse bad behavior either. If you really care about someone, you condemn the behavior while still accepting and supporting the person. I believe the phrase is "Love the sinner, hate the sin."

 

LOL...as if you could talk about "Gay" at all without the sex. Sorry, but it's like mentioning fire and telling someone not to say Flame, or Hot. Without the difference in Sexual preference, there is nothing to talk about...there is no Gay.


As to the OP, good for those Eagle scouts. If thats their belief, and they stand by it then good for them, and their conviction. Beliefs and values are important. The Boy Scouts also has their set of values and beliefs.

 

Ok, so how do you know the straight guy taking the boys camping isn't a pedo? You don't. You trust that they are not and hope to god that your correct. Which is the same for a Gay guy in the same position. Its not like Gay men have no control over their sexual urges.

 

For a child predator of any gender preference, any place could be a 'hunting ground.'

Sunday school doesnt usually put 1 on 1, and is a least likely place for predators to hunt. I led 'Children's Church' for several months and parents usually just dropped off their kids during the main svce and then picked them up immediately after svce. But church camps as any other camps are a place to hunt children, as there is often 'over night' lodging, just as scouts and camping, and so predators are in their element!

But let me qualify one thing: being a hetero man or homosexual man and placed in a position over youth of the gender of their attraction, esp those going thru puberty, often can set up a 'weak minded' (for lack of a better choice of words) individual where they become surrounded by the 'adoring,' and create a situation of mis-directed 'love,' and result in bad outcomes! It's best to avoid creating that situation!!

 

"gay people do tend to be sex obsessive" can you back this up with any facts????

 

Back this up with proof. Credible reasearch/not church based.