Born of a Virgin on December 25th, Crucified and Resurrected after Three Days

Where did Jesus ever tell people to think? I see the entirety of the New Testament actually attacking thought and reason as something to be mistrusted, with simple "childlike" faith being the "correct" alternative.

 

Um.... nope.

There is no love in fear.

The OT is anything but a loving message. You ought to reverse your argument, the NT is a message of love, the OT is a message of fear.

 

Cant agree with you on that. Sure there is "love God and fellow man" as long as they happen to be of the chosen people and also love the same God as you do.

In the case where they are not "the chosen ones" or do not Love your God. Kill them .. destroy their cities and burn every thing .. Kill men women and children and spare no one.

 

At the time our country was being formed, (white Europeans), slavery was an accepted practice because it was accepted in the OT. We can't fathom that practice today.

 

Making either the abolishment of slavery to be an abomination or that God's law is relative.

 

It's also thoroughly accepted in the New Testament...

 

Every christian is behaving as a sinful but confessing christian. Everyone sins, there is no way around it.

 

Hmmmm... citation?

 

Absolutely true.

Philemon is all about Paul returning a runaway slave to the title character, but in hopes that he treats him with kindness.

 

Show me some stuff unreconciled.

Gods law is not relative. The reason people who are Christian dont go around stoning their children is because of the "he who is without sin throw the first stone" thing Jesus said.

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/contra_res.htm

 

cupid dave, I am going to say this one time and one time only. are you ready?

There are no Muslims who commit terrorism. You cannot find one in history. That is like saying that a bee is a ferocious insect, when they are not. As for not following Isa, this is also impossible being that Muslims/Muhsinun/Muttaqun are the exact same as Isa, who also was Muslim/Muhsinun/Muttaqun.

Now I shall address your outrageous claims as well as your religious dogma.

1) They do not love their enemy.

We see the terrorism today, and can read about the previous expansion of Islam by force.

Christians "sell" their christianity, but muslims impose it.

Christians are the first to shed blood, you cannot call yourself honest and deny this fact. As for Isa making such a statement, that is an intentional misrepresentation of what Isa said. You find in the Bible, many claims placed upon many of the prophets , of which they never made. Isa made the statement of "Treating others as you would have them treat you", he also made the statement, "Those who are at enmity with Allah (God) are also at enmity with me". Is that loving your enemy? No it is not. Therefore, Isa never made the statement of loving your enemy, such was added by the scholars one of your kings by the name of James commissioned to have added and rewritten.

As for you claim of imposing religion, what on Earth do you think that the Spaniards, French, Germans, British/English, Portuguese, Belgians, and American planters, also known as plantation owners, with their overseers where doing? Christianity has been forced down the throats of ninety-five percent of the planet's population, during the existence of your world.

2) They do not strive to be the sons of god, which Jesus said all men can become:

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

This is another outright lie. We Muslims/Muttaqun/Muhsinun strive for the oneness with Allah (God). This is our Supreme Existence which is what the Harem in Makka (Mecca) represents. As a matter of fact, it is your religion, Christianity which teachers that Man was created a sinner, which is blasphemous in our ear. Such is one the many reasons why your concocted religion is not accepted by any righteous person. The Holy Qur'an states as a matter of fact that Man (original Man) was created with the to be the Vicegerent or Caliphe of Allah, which is Allah in person. When you read Qur'an, which the Bible used to be a part of until your religious scholars contaminated with their bile, you see that the ultimate goal is to return to Allah or to return to the original sublime state which Man used to enjoy until the entrance of the Adamic race or people. Yes, some of you have come out of the devilish thinking which you have been taught, but the most of you remain devil and the learned of you are none but Ash-Shaintan (Satan).

3) They do not acknowledge that the father of Truth is Reality, hence God is not one.
Again, yet another lie. Islam is Truth or Divine Intelligence, your entire civilization is built and predicated on your own Artificial Intelligence which is 95 percent - 99 percent invented, all so that your rulers and other elites can dominate and control. As Qur'an tells us, "Take not Ash-Shaitan as your friend, for his desire is to get you to stubble and fall, as your fore-bearers have done." It is the goal of your teaching with your religion to cause others to fall victim to disbelief so that all will follow you to your doom (the Hell-Fire). Yes, your world is Hell but there is an actual fire that most have as their final destination and no I am not talking about when people physically die. You book (Bible) even tells you that your rulers and your world are to be destroyed by fire. Here is what it states, "The Dragon, The Beast, The False Prophet and all of their followers will be cast into The Lake f Fire alive."

4) They do not strive for peace, but fight even each other.
Yes another lie. Will you ever stop lying? The history of your people, including Christians have done nothing but cause the shedding of blood from your very entrance on the planet. Sure many from the East follow you in shedding of blood, but those are no more Muslim than you are. Have I not told you that We Muslims never cause the shedding of blood without justification? One the other hand, you Christians are built upon conquest, which is another reason why you disgust Us. You use the name of one of Our holy prophets (Isa) and have caused all manner of Hell upon our planet. Beasts, one and the same.

5) They do not turn the other cheek, especially to those who oppose their religion, though Jesus demonstrated that Christians should even endure martydom by their critics.
Turn the other cheek? You have got to joking. What slavery teaching is this? When Isa made that statement, he said, "If YOUR BROTHER smites you on one cheek, turn the other, for he may have received information from an enemy. Seek reconciliation first. As for martyrdom, Isa was the only martyr for he gave his life for what he believed. As for those who died for you religion, that has nothing to do with us being that your religion is not sent, sanctioned nor authorized by Us. You Christians have been butchering each other for land, power, riches, etc. As for enduring, what people have endured slander, evils done to us, being robbed of language, culture and even our Ilah, who is Allah, more than We Muslims? NONE!
As I have stated before, Islam is the nature of Man.

6) They do not "preach the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" which Jesus SPECIFICALLY said to do.
More putrid blasphemy coming from The House of Ash-Shaitan. Isa never taught nor such shirk. That teaching came from the Council of Nicaea or the Nicaean Conference. Moreover, it comes from Nimrod's era where he murdered his father, married his mother and had children by her. Every time his mother would become pregnant, he would say that the "Holy Ghost" visited her and she became pregnant. This is the origin of that vile belief and utterance. As I have asked before, "Have you seen Nimrod lately?" Truly, you are a blasphemous bunch of ingrates.

They do not believe "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men," as they kill people who burn the Koran.
In order for sin and blasphemy to be forgiven, the Mujrimun (blasphemer and sinner) must make atonement for their sin(s) which blasphemy is one and never commit such acts again. Their is no saying five or six hail Mary's, which by the way is blasphemy and being free to commit more sins. As to burning people who destroy a Holy book, that act is justified being that you are not supposed to stand idle while someone commits and offense against that which is sacred, while you know. I personally would not allow the people to burn any Holy which was given by Allah to heal the illness of men. For you to even bring up such a thing only shows that you are not at all a person of righteous character, being that you see nothing wrong with showing ingratitude to Allah for His mercy sent to Man and Mankind. Truly, you shiatin cannot hide yourselves from those of us who know what the day and time is.

This concludes this conversation, of which I have responded In The name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful.

 

"Those who are at enmity with Allah (God) are also at enmity with me". Is that loving your enemy?
Thats a spiritual quote. Hes saying that those who dont believe in God dont believe him.

 

That can be easily explained. Its an old story, when its passed down like it was there are bound to be a few mistakes in the rewrite. Like the telephone game.

 

So you agree that the bible is not the inerrant word of God, but is subject to the errors and omissions as well as potential fabrications by the scribes that recorded a decades, and sometimes centuries, old oral tradition?

Well, that's a relief.

 

So then the Bible is fallible?

 

He just committed Argument Suicide.

 

He does it alot.

 

.... and never addresses the follow up questions.

 

http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

 

Hopefully it will get him thinking

 

That is simply disappointing. :/

 

It's what I'd expect from a product of its time and place. Slavery was the norm in such times, and it wasn't conservative Christians who finally did away with slavery in later centuries.. It was people of a humanist or secularist mindset - progressives, if you will The kind of men who spearheaded other important changes, like the change from monarchy to democracy, which of course found its grandest incarnation here in the USA.

 

Mexico ended slavery decades before the US did.

 

One of the myriad and more obvious clues that Christ was allegorical for the Sun:

Mark 15:33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Three hours of darkness, akin to the three days of 'death' the Sun was said to experience at Winter Solstice before its rebirth or resurrection. This is seen also in Matthew's crucifixion account:

45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

The two accounts are so similar, it's like Matthew plagiarised that bit. Turning to Luke:

44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

And we might as well look at what John's gospel has:

30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

... What?? It looks like John didn't get the memo on the miraculous things that are supposed to have happened at Christ's death. No torn veil, no darkness, no earth-shaking, no Roman centurion saying that he must have been the son of Theos.. Nothing! Oh well.


Another interesting item is the "Sign of Jonah" mentioned in Matthew 16:

1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.

2 He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.

In fact, this tidbit essentially a repeat from chapter 13 of the same gospel:

38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”

39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.

... In the heart of the Earth, he says, and for three days, of course, which was kept the same in the gospel accounts of the Sun of God's death and resurrection. Soon, I will get into Mitra and his death/resurrection. You can get a head start by reading here: http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm