Is PF A proper forum for Racists/Bigots?

Well, I certainly never expected the responses to the last thread on this subject, but I wanted to try asking it again with a slightly different spin.

And no, I will not be posting my own opinion on this quite yet, so that others can get their say in first. But It is hard to deny that a lot of Racists/Bigots/Etc do use this forum as a way to "reach out" to others. And no, the idea is not "Should they be silenced", but simply to see what others in here feel about that kind of activity.

I know that I often see a lot of "Hijacking" going on, but maybe I am oversensitive.

 

Unfortunately yes.

I find racists espousing their ideas as repugnant as members of NAMBLA advocating their ideas- but both are entitled to voice their opinions and hopefully have those ideas soundly rejected and repudiated by the community here.

I have rather come around on this. Advocating white superiority is as much political thought as advocating for the right to have sex with minor boys so it does have a place here- I don't like it, I repudiate it but it belongs here.

Would I mind if we had a seperate section just for those who wanted to champion their ideas that Negroes are the servant class or that Mexicans muddy the blood? No- I would be fine with a section specifically for those types of threads, so I could ignore them if I didn't feel like getting irritated.

 

I don't think it is a matter of principle. The nutters are better ranting here than brooding for months and then going out and shooting babies or something. The difficulty comes when you have so many of 'em on 'ignore' that you can't follow an argument, and PF is getting perilously close to that point. But banning nutters is not a good plan: once started it always means banning decent people more.

 

I don't see a problem(outside of the fact that they obviously have some type of mental deficiency leading to the racist views in the first place) with people espousing their racist views, as long as it is applicable to the discussion, and not just thrown in to get in a good dig. If it's not applicable, then it's just trolling or flame-baiting, and should be dealt with.

 

I just wish PF would ban stupid people which admittedly is 98% of neo Nazis (there is one intelligent Nazi posting here, the other 99 are the brain dead cretins who make up the thug contingent of Nazi organizations). Unfortunately most conservatives posting here are soundbyte reciting cretins too, to whom an "idea", even a Straussian impulse or an insight from Milton Friedman, induces a cold sweat. Argument is hard - abuse and sloganizing is all they can do.

Too many leftists are Jewbaiters as well, falling for the baiting of the new Zionists ( who yesteryear were the worst anti-Semites) on the American extreme Right, by becoming what they are accused of. The cretinism of those who will demonize Jews because of the excesses of Jewish nationalism just shows that their leftism is emotional mush, devoid of any intellectual rigor.

Clever, cultured, idea loving people from Right and Left: ou sont les neiges d'antan?

 

What if your daughter gets knocked up by some knuckle dragging African convict... Will you share the same anti-white sentiment then? I hope you get to experience "diversity" first hand, all too often guilty white liberals who espouse diversity do so from the comfort of their suburban McMansion or from an oceanview loft in the white-gentrified part of town.

 

Gone from this earth mon ami.

 

Albert. The intelligent conservative. The exception that proves the rule!

 

I am a mischling. My grandmother was Rroma (gypsy). My girlfriend's Chinese.

But I am well paid and successful. Unlike the scum who make up the majority of neo Nazi organizations.

 

I do not like to hear them, but i think it allows others to see them for what they are, so yes as long as it is on topic, they should be allowed... jmho

 

Is this post an admission that Nazis fantasize about raping children?

 

Mmmm.....overly sensitive...... not a word I'd associate with your good self!

But another opinion might be, another's spin may point out your own bigotry, we all have them(I'm Scotish and proud of it...rightly so when I look about me)......perhap's, you might want them silenced...... but thats dictatorship...... and your... Ooooh so used to a political dictatorship that you might never notice your short comings unless its pointed out to you!

But as I'm Scottish.... I must be right!

Regards
Highlander

 

You should spend some time on the World Events forum. The conservatives there are for the most part the ones arguing against the Neo-Nazis and the bigots/racists.

Seriously, there are people there who think "Racist Americans" or "Racist Jews" is one word.

 

I didn't say there weren't decent conservatives. I said the ones on here have chosen adolescent flamebaiting against liberals in preference to facing down anti-Semitic Nazi scum.

 

I believe this is the second such thread started by the author. Some people just don't like other people having opinions they don't like, so as is typical of leftists, they try to squelch the free expression of concepts or words they find offensive. There is also a propensity to toss the RACIST word around any time a race based issue is discussed, such as the many threads we see on the epidemic of crime in the black community, as though the subject in and of itself is RACIST(!) as if anyone who finds the disturbingly unreported crime wave appalling and worthy of debate is de facto RACIST!

Were there not a concerted effort to label every discussion with a racial element RACIST(!), there would be less colorful language in all likelihood.

 

Every discussion which depends on the fantasy of distinguishable 'races' of humans is of course racist, as are all the extreme-right's tedious attempts to work up hatred against minorities.

 

How can there be "minorities" if there are no races?

 

"Decent" conservatives.

Two problems with that. A lot of the "conservatives" here aren't true conservatives, they are social conservatives who have no problem using the government and/or our Constitution to force everyone else to follow their often ridiculous and twisted sense of "morals".

As for the "decent" part... well, there are a few decent conservatives here, they are far outvoiced by the extremes of their portion of the political spectrum.

 

Well sure it is. There are plenty of left wingers here.

 

Anyone who has actually read history would know the answer to that.

 

Do tell, professor. This should be hilarious.

 

While I don't agree with their views and think that they are mostly a bunch of idiotic, self-righteous troglodytes, I think they should be allowed to post their opinions.

HOWEVER, they should be forced to follow the rules. Instead, it seems like a great deal more leniency is given to racists in terms of flamebaiting, personal attacks and off-topic posts. They are allowed to post over-the-top (*)(*)(*)(*) that adds NOTHING to the discussion other than to repeat their twisted worldview. Ridiculous statements made solely to incite others are given pass if it has a racial element to it and that's just wrong.

These racists are like cockroaches. If you ignore them and think they will go away,instead they will multiple and drag their filth everywhere as we've seen with ever-increasing regularity here at PF. They put out calls about "racist" friendly boards and more and more scamper over to overwhelm the board with their trash. The members who try and post meaningful content get disgusted and eventually just leave the board.

So fine, let them post, but make sure that they follow the rules of the board instead of giving them a "golden ticket" in the interest of "free speech".

 

sigh- so I have to show you? Luckily I rather enjoy it.

One example from our past are Irish Catholic immigrants-

Prejudice against Irish Catholics in the US reached a peak in the mid-1850s with the Know Nothing Movement, which tried to oust Catholics from public office

Matter of fact- Catholics faced tremendous discrimination as a 'minority' - then again of course Jews did to.

German Americans during WW2

Chinese throughout much of the history of the west.

Mormons are another good example- its been a long time since our country has mob killing people just because they were Mormons- but it happened.

Race- religion- national origin- all good fodder for bigotry. Race is just the most obvious 'minority' but America has had dozens if not hundreds of distinct minority groups which huddled together for both economic and physical security.