42% of Jesus’ followers DON’T think he’s the “son of god”, or was even resurrected.

The texts of Islam, an Abrahamic Faith like Christianity, teach that "Jesus" was indeed a “prophet”. "Jesus" is a very important figure in Islam, which has around 1.5 billion followers. Add to that the roughly 2.1 billion Christians, and that equals at least 3.6 billion followers of Jesus. Islam teaches that Jesus is NOT the “son of god” (“god” does not have a son, they teach), and was NOT resurrected.
Therefore around 42% (1.5 billion of the 3.6 billion) of the followers of Jesus do NOT believe that he was the “son of god”, and also believe he was NOT “resurrected”!

So if you are a follower of Jesus, realize that nearly as many of his followers think that you are dead WRONG.

With this kind of incredible dis-unity amongst his followers (not even to mention the 30,000+ different strains of Christianity alone!), it’s highly likely that he didn’t even really exist, or their beliefs would of course be much much more similar.

"Jesus" could clear all this up (if he’s indeed an "all-knowing god", and can even magically “hear your silent prayers”, then obviously he could clear this up right now, duh), but he clearly doesn’t even care about his followers enough to set them straight. Either 58% of his followers, or 42% of his followers (he won’t tell us which, since he’s so immoral!) are allegedly GOING TO HELL, but he really could care less, or he’d have cleared it up in the last 2000 years, obviously! He allegedly considered his followers his "children"....which would make him the worst "parent" in world history. Would HITLER have set his children straight if he had any?, yes, most certainly. So Hitler is more moral than Jesus in this example. So either the “most moral man to ever live” is IMMORAL, or, more likely statistically, he’s not divine or never existed in the first place.

You can do better than to follow someone who has let humanity down as badly as this.

A modern Secular Humanist, if they had Jesus’ (alleged) abilities, would certainly clear this up amongst Jesus’ followers ASAP, because they are more moral than Jesus. I bet YOU WOULD TOO! So YOU are more moral than "Jesus", so believe in yourself, and not some fairy tale.

Which belief system to follow becomes abundantly clear after reading this example.

(I’m not sure about the Bahai faith's attitude towards Jesus.)

 

This seems like an attempt to stir tension between Muslim and Christian while also just insulting Jesus (pbuh).

I don't know what the Bible says, but the Quran says this will all be cleared up when Jesus (pbuh) returns and kills the anti-Christ.

 

You forgot Buddhists who accept the idea of Jesus.

 

Thanks, I always value your input, Hugh Jackman.
So it's probably around, say, 47%, instead of the 42%. So basically half the followers of Jesus DON'T believe he's "god/son of god". If he can't even convince about 1/2 of his followers that he's "god/son of god", then he's so unconvincing that his divinity should really really be questioned.

 

Ever heard of free will? And difference of opinion?

Besides this logic is flawed. If that is how we judge things, then I guess the Earth was really flat, because most people believed it was? And Obama doesn't exist, because there are too many contradicting views about him?

I think the fact Jesus (pbuh) is so significant in the two largest religions on Earth supercedes your point that there are differences in how he is seen.

And I would rather talk about Jesus (pbuh) with Christians in a constructive way for peace and nderstanding than use it to further divide our religious populations.

 

The Bible/"Jesus" says that simply because you believe a different fairy tale than they do, that you and your Muslim (non-Christian) family and friends are so incredibly unworthy, so horrendously foolish, so evil, that the ultimate authority (the smartest entity to have ever existed) is perfectly justified in not only denying you access to the ultimate supremacist country club in the sky, but that you will be tortured (Mohammad approved of torture too, to be fair) forever (they'll treat you worse than Hitler treated the Jews - if you can believe that!), since you are so incredibly vile, they feel. Even your 6 year old little sister/niece. Do you think that's fair? It matters NOT that you might be as moral as Ghandi, or as altruistic as Mother Theresa (if, say, she converted to Buddhism, for example.) THAT'S what Jesus of the Bible says.

Still a fan of Jesus if 2.1 billion of his followers think you are so disgusting to actually DESERVE worse punishment than even Mohammad's earthly punishment of cutting off of opposite hands/feet, and be left to slowly suffer and die?

While the Bible clearly hates you, modern Secular Humanism loves you (note the "humanism" - that's you - in the name, for one thing.) But "Christianity" has the name of the person who hates you in it's title.

 

I admire your positive attitude, but get Christians to change their texts to say that you don't DESERVE HELL, and then maybe the constructive dialogue can begin. Bible/Qur'an only teach hate, since both believe that if I as a modern Secular Humanist actually became the single most moral person in the world (just say), that I STILL deserve to have my skin peeled off my body, constantly, from boiling oil, forever (sick, sick, sick!) simply because I used the science, reason, and critical thinking that, apparently they feel, "god gave me". Incredible.

Speaking of morality, I submit to you OJLeb (respectfully), that Modern Secular Humanism is more moral than you and your fellow Muslims are because I think I remember you DEFENDING Mohammad's pedophilia. Defending the in-defensible takes religion, or hallucinogenic drugs, to accomplish.

 

Where does Jesus (pbuh) says he hates me or all non-Christians?

As a Muslim we believe otherwise.

As for secular humanism, will it accept me even if believe in Allah SWT?

 

Secular humanism will accept you, but not share your beliefs. Your beliefs are irrelevant to how a secular humanist will treat you, as they are aware of the fears that drive the need for supernatural answers to unanswerable questions. Secular humanism starts from a premise of love of people in all their various forms, and a desire to support all people up to their need to enforce their ideas on others. That's where the buck stops. Ultimately, passion leads to a need to dominate, and secular humanism tends to reject that premise. Religions do not. Neither do nations, with rare exceptions. Given enough power, corruption is a motion away.
The "hate" referred to, though I think the term is needlessly provocative, is the eternal fire and (*)(*)(*)(*)ation that the bible seems to refer to regarding those that don't put their faith in the god the bible describes. That would, according to some interpreters of the Christian scriptures, include you.

 

The Biblical Jesus of Christianity says you burn baby burn if you don't suck up to it's narcissistic founder, as, shall we say, a Christian (Muslims don't quite cut it.) You don't seriously think that non-Christians avoid Jesus' own personal Auschwitz, do you? But in Jesus' version, unlike Hitler's, there are no freedom-loving Allied troops to eventually free the inmates. So Jesus' version is even worse than Hitler's.

OF COURSE modern Secular Humanism would accept you to it's paradise in the sky (IF it had one, of course)....just because you had a different belief system is no reason to torture you. Come on, we're not immoral, like Jesus/God/Allah. Modern SH wants to educate and help people, not burn them! Heck, even Saddam, while he was on this earth, was probably effectively more moral than Jesus/God/Allah, now that I think about it.

Please show me where it says that, say, Richard Dawkins, is as brutal as God/Jesus/Mohammad proudly PROCLAIM to be. He teaches no such thing! Would Dawkins kill virtually every innocent living creature (cute bunnies, etc., in the "flood") just because he himself made a mistake and was so pathetically uncreative (he's no more creative than a baby) to be able come up with a better idea? Of course not(!), since modern SH is far more moral than Jesus/Mohammad/God/Allah, obviously.

The choice couldn't be clearer.

 

Spoken like a loving modern Secular Humanist! You are likely more of a "prophet" than Jesus/Mohammad/Moses, my friend. I like your positive attitude, too.
Yes, OJLeb, Jesus of the Bible, uh, LIKES you so darn much, that, uh, if you don't convert to believing the Bible before you die then you do not get those 72 virgins but do indeed get tortured WORSE than even Mohammad prescribed for criminals on this earth (stoning to death - for having sex outside marriage for example, being whipped - for drinking alcohol, having a fire burn on your chest - for not revealing where the booty was after Mo's gang captured you, etc.).
So Jesus (in the afterlife) is even more brutal than Mohammad (while Mohammad was alive,) it can be argued. (I'm not referring to the punishment given out by "Allah" in hell, here, however, technically.)

 

That's an interesting analysis of the topic.

 

In the Bible Jesus is an advocate of forgiveness. It seems strange that he will turn around and start killing people. Is that the example he wants humanity to follow?

BTW, if someone's favorite deity is "insulted" why doesn't the deity do something about it himself? Why does the deity's followers always take it upon themselves to punish the insulter? Can't the deity defend itself?

 

I have noticed many people believe in a higher power, they attribute that to the religion they were raised with even though they don't actually literally believe the religion they were raised with

fact is, one can believe in a higher power\God without being a Mormon Christians Muslims Jewish, they can just believe what they believe, they can be like many of our founders desists, or they can believe in whatever they want, ,this is America

 

This entire thread is based on the flimsiest of premises: that Muslims are "followers of Jesus". Muslims are no more followers of Jesus than Christians are followers of Moses or Elijah. Muslims are followers of Mohammad. There are a great number of prophets in the holy books, but to just pick one out of a hat and say "you're Abrahamic, so you follow prophet X!" is moronic.

 

i dont know any Christians or Catholics who still think jesus was gods sun... both say the trinity means that god the SUN/SON the holy ghost are all the same...."god"

so i dont know if anyone brought this up yet.

 

Then they are NOT the follower of Jesus. You can't be a disciple of Jesus and doubt Him and what is written of Him. Jesus said that MANY would worship Him in vain.....He said that MANY would be deceived by the MANY who would come in His name. So what they say or believe is not important it is what Jesus says and those who wrote about Him is.

 

Oooops.....bouble post.

 

Well, I have never heard any Christian that believe or say that Jesus was the Sun but they all say and agree that Jesus is the Son of God/ the Father.

 

I never understood the whole concept that Jesus is the Son of God but that he is also God himself. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Now is it just Catholics that believe Jesus is both the son of God and also God himself or is it other Christian sects too?

 

Sorry but Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. Different character, different God.

 

sorry, but they are both evolved from the old testament, same god, same testament

 

"42% of Jesus’ followers DON’T think he’s the “son of god”, or was even resurrected."

does anyone really believe Jesus was stuck in his dead body for 3 days before he could finally escape it?

 

That could be because you are listening what other people say which is not the same thing as humbly going to the Bible to learn what God has to say about it. The scriptures clearly show that Jesus who is the Word is God and the Son of God as well. But I would have to elaborate on that in order for you to understand it......yes, you read me right, the Trinity is not impossible to understand when people get out of the way and allow the Bible to explain it.

 

I believe in the God of Abraham. You know, the one who created the Universe. The one who created Adam, Eve, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all the other Prophets (peace and blessings upon them all).

Which God do Christians believe in? According to you, of course.

Ironic when Christians like you refuse to share God. Sad how removed Christians such as yourself are from the teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him)...



May Allah SWT bless that Church, and all other Churches, Masjids, and Synogogues which promote peace and co-existance between the followers of God.

Assalaam wa'alykum


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