After Four Years of Obama: The hope is gone.

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  1. Never Left

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    The budgets introduced by real Americans were not even allowed on the floor for debate. It seems you vilify the wrong people, but then again, you are an Obama voter...
     
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    You think that Obama voters have the gift of observation and application? Thats a fricking laugh.
     
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    You do realize don't you Bill, that the last 2 Obama budgets received exactly zero Democrat votes?
     
  4. Dispondent

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    They simply failed to understand Dear Leader's brilliance, its hardly Obama's fault... Even a crappy leader should have been able to pull 4 or 5 votes, so what's that tellin' ya?
     
  5. GiveUsLibertyin2012

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    Please,it had nothing to do with the Tea Party.They had a filibuster proof senate for two years before the Tea Party became a force.Why didnt they pass a budget then?Heres the question.Obama had a both chambers of Congress under Democrat control.He could've worked on entitlement reform,immigration reform.He knew by law,they had to pass a budget.
    So why didn't they??He could have passed anything he wanted.And since he had full Dem control,you can't pen the blame on the Republicans because they were completely shut out of everything.Instead of leaning to the center to get the right policies passed that would have improved our economy by working with the GOP,Obama went completely far -Left and shut the GOP out of everything.The result was an extra $5 trillion in debt.And if Obama wins re-election,he wants to invest (which is a code word for spend more) more in bridges,schools,etc to create jobs.But wait,what happened to the stimulus money he wasted that was supposed to go towards infrastructure?I'll tell you.It went right into the pockets of his cronies,his union buddies,and failed green energy.Now,if re-elected he promises even more spending in infrastructure?And we throw billions already into our education system,yet we still lag far behind the rest of the world.
     
  6. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Have you seen all of those folks lined up to buy the latest $300 NBA star sneakers? They have money to burn.
     
  7. GiveUsLibertyin2012

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    4 years later and they still blame Bush.Even though it wasn't Bush's fault to begin with.The financial bubble was growing under the Clinton administration .Bush and The Republicans warned the Democratic controlled Congress about the looming housing bubble but were ignored.So who was it that got us into the mess again??
     
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    So,do any Libs want to answer why with a Dem controlled Congress Obama failed to pass a budget without any GOP intervention?Now,you can't blame the Tea Party.They were not a force until later.
    Explain.
     
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    Obama never gave them a plan. I agree that the majority of all politicians lie to a certain degree. But what gets me are the liberal left wing democrats that won't admit Obama did not keep many top promises he made the country. He was going to IMMEDIATELY END THE WAR. He said…and you can take that to the bank. WEll he went to the bank alright to borrow borrow borrow….now China owns us. He has not brought people in our country together. Since he took office his words and actions have divided us even further….especially racially.
    He is a master manipulator…a liar.
    People wanted change and change is good…depending on what it does. His changes…..have backfired on him big time and he knows it. If he gets elected again….the votes will be coming from people who want handouts. And as we know….Obama will count on these people for votes. I think he did it all on purpose just to get elected…because anyone with half a brain would never vote for him.
     
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    There never was hope. There was only empty promises and empty suits.
     
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    Non sequitur.

    Okay. You said previous to that "Then again I have realistic expectation on what a president can and can't do. I also know most of our problems are due to congress not passing any economic bills due to their inability to pass anything that involves spending whatsoever"

    My response was that the Democrats/Liberals had no problem blaming Bush for the state of the economy in 2008, when, presumably, you would have been 22 or so and would have remembered hearing all their talk. The economy was at least part of the reason why McCain lost. In any event, if the Dems can blame Bush, turnabout is fair play and yes, we can blame Obama for the state of the current economy.
     
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    [video=youtube;jrFChQUQihE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrFChQUQihE[/video]
     
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    sitting on empty chairs...

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    Have you seen all the people lined up to collect food stamps in the Obama economy?
     
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    We are in the worst hole ever and Obama acts like he just needs more time. Lets up up the shovel and get a new leader. Not really a new leader just a leader. Obama doesn't know how to lead.
     
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    Repeating the liberal lie. So what happened in Obama's first two year Bill? He had total control and all he did was pass a very unpopular healthcare bill when people were losing their jobs. Delusional liberals
     
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    Here's someone who doesn't agree with you. He thinks you are completely mistaken. You should hear his voice. Suicide was his only way out.


    09/03/12 DoD: Army Casualty Identified

    Spc. Kyle R. Rookey, 23, of Oswego, N.Y., died Sept. 2, in Jalalabad, Afghanistan from a non-combat related incident. He was assigned to the 4th Brigade Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.
     
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    Bush didn't send this fellow to Afghanistan. Obama did.


    09/03/12 DoD: Army Casualty Identified

    Spc. Kyle R. Rookey, 23, of Oswego, N.Y., died Sept. 2, in Jalalabad, Afghanistan from a non-combat related incident. He was assigned to the 4th Brigade Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.
     
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    1) In my view, the president and Congress can influence the economy, just not to the extent that many believe. Numerous stakeholders, including private, public, and foreign entities of all stripes have some impact on the American economy. I am not sure how much control the president and Congress have over the economy; however, it is far less than most people (both supporters and detractors) give them credit for...

    2) Even when they have large majorities in Congress, presidents often have trouble getting the House and Senate to go along with their preferred legislation. Members of Congress (even in today's polarized political climate) are a diverse lot, which is to be expected given the fact that our country is made up of a variegated array of cultures, interest groups, etc.

    3) The economy relies on both supply (of products/services) and demand (for those products/services). Hence, both supply-side and demand-side initiatives can spur economic growth/reduce unemployment/etc. As to which type will work better in today's economy? It depends...

    4) Both parties seek to control economic behavior to some extent. For instance, a new tax credit might influence behavior just as much as a new regulation.

    5) The federal government needs to regulate some aspects of the economy. If the government endorsed a true laissez faire system (without any federal regulations), disaster would ensue. The real questions revolve around how much regulation and what things will be regulated.
     
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    Presidents can affect it tremendously when they print money. Again, Obama had total control for two years, so his pathetic lame excuse of blaming everyone else for his failure is not cutting it. He to this day continues to blame Bush, and it has become high time to fire this empty suit CEO of America. That is what is done in corporations when CEO's fail.
     
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    Let's take at look at what Bush said at the 2000 RNC ... Clinton prosperity was evil .... and death & destruction is ... well, Hope & Change ... quite amazing ...

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25954

    *For eight years, the Clinton/Gore administration has coasted through prosperity.

    And the path of least resistance is always downhill.

    But America's way is the rising road.

    This nation is daring and decent and ready for change*

    ~ G.W. Bush
     
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    The first 15 bills are designed to reduce Government Red Tape and allow businesses to grow and hire more people are already in Harry "Do Nothing" Reid's hands. You'll need to ask him why he's holding up these important "jobs" bills.
     
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    Hey, I was gonna say that!
     
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    You cant filibuster the budget. Try again.
     

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