Hey Christians, what about all those who lived and died before they ....

Hey Christians, what about all those who lived and died before they had a chance to even hear about Jesus, let alone make the decision to turn their life over to him?

Being a former (now grown up man so no longer believe in silliness) born again xtian and before that practicing catholic, i know probably much more than most of you holy rollers, but for now lets see what you say.

No man get to him but thru me, the son of god, jesus, right?

right?

what about the billions of people who lived and died from the day jesus was born till today, 2000 years later, who due to lack of global communication, etc and so on never heard of him and couldnt have given their lives to him?

huh? what happens to them?

 

If they are perfectly fine with "Jesus" approving of all, say, Muslims, and Buddhists, and Atheists like you and me, and Jews, etc. going to burn forever because they simply picked the wrong super-hero, then they likely aren't compassionate enough to really care WHAT happens to the people in question, it can be argued.

 

No worries, the Mormons got that one covered ... they do baptism for the dead.

 

Mormons are Christians then?

 

YEah, its caled the church of Jesus Christ - Latter Day Saints. Its doctrine is all based on Jesus, and it seems, in the aggregate to agree with the basic tenets of Christianity. They just believe that Prophecy has been restored, and, at face value, its an interesting question - why would God have Prophets in the old days ... and not today? Well?

There are Christians out there that try and make all churches save the one they belong to, non-Christian. I am not one of them. I defend them all - at least the legitimate ones.

The neo-Nazi Church, teh Church of Jesus Christ Christian, pretty clearly deliberately warps the message of Jesus to support racism - just like some of your faith deliberately distort atheist to make everyone else ... rapists.

Is that atheism?

 

YEah, its caled the church of Jesus Christ - Latter Day Saints. Its doctrine is all based on Jesus, and it seems, in the aggregate to agree with the basic tenets of Christianity. They just believe that Prophecy has been restored, and, at face value, its an interesting question - why would God have Prophets in the old days ... and not today? Well?

There are Christians out there that try and make all churches save the one they belong to, non-Christian. I am not one of them. I defend them all - at least the legitimate ones.

The neo-Nazi Church, teh Church of Jesus Christ Christian, pretty clearly deliberately warps the message of Jesus to support racism - just like some of your faith deliberately distort atheist to make everyone else ... rapists.

Is that atheism?

 

I've always wondered that as well and even more so I wonder why theists always assume who is going to hell and who is not. Even if they base it on their religious texts which have not changed for a very long time, how are they supposed to know that their deity has not changed his mind on who gets in heaven and why? Isn't he/she/it the only one who will get to decide this in the end? So who are they to figure I'm going to burn in hell forever simply because I do not accept Jesus as my savior? Or who are they to assume Allah will punish me because I am not following the tenets of Islam?

How do they know?

 

Check out the Wikipedia article "Fate of the Unlearned".

 

Yes, because we wouldn't want an atheist to educate us about religious theory ... when we have wikipedia to not ... er, refrrence?

 

That's an easy and simple answer.........they will be in the second resurrection.

 

Another fun way to trip them up.
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/261206-nazi-atheist.html

 

That would not work......the Bible says the individual must believe and repent.


Mark 1:14-15 (ASV)
14 Now after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15 and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel.

Dead people cannot believe nor can they repent. But if Christians would only study more of the scriptures and more often with a humble mind they would clearly see in the Bible that the unrepentant dead are not condemned.

 

The metaphysics here are a bit heavy but you asked for it.

Jesus was both God and man. It was an absolute necessity. He had to be a man in order to pay for man's sins. He had to be God so that he would not yield to temptation.

Because he was God and man He existedboth within and without the time stream and therefore his sacrific would effect not only what came after but what came before as well.

There have always been Godly people. They always knew that a redeemer was coming though many did not know his name.

 

The first Christians baptized their dead. People probably stopped doing it because they had to drink the water.

 

The false ones, but true Christians never did.

 

double post.

 

Are you sure about that?

1 Corinthians 15:29 (MSG) = Why do you think people offer themselves to be baptized for those already in the grave? If there’s no chance of resurrection for a corpse, if God’s power stops at the cemetery gates, why do we keep doing things that suggest he’s going to clean the place out someday, pulling everyone up on their feet alive?

 

Paul got that covered in Romans 2:9-24 (MSG) =
[SUP]9-11 [/SUP]If you go against the grain, you get splinters, regardless of which neighborhood you’re from, what your parents taught you, what schools you attended. But if you embrace the way God does things, there are wonderful payoffs, again without regard to where you are from or how you were brought up. Being a Jew won’t give you an automatic stamp of approval. God pays no attention to what others say (or what you think) about you. He makes up his own mind.
[SUP]12-13 [/SUP]If you sin without knowing what you’re doing, God takes that into account. But if you sin knowing full well what you’re doing, that’s a different story entirely. Merely hearing God’s law is a waste of your time if you don’t do what he commands. Doing, not hearing, is what makes the difference with God.
[SUP]14-16 [/SUP]When outsiders who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God’s law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God’s yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God’s yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.
Religion Can’t Save You

[SUP]17-24 [/SUP]If you’re brought up Jewish, don’t assume that you can lean back in the arms of your religion and take it easy, feeling smug because you’re an insider to God’s revelation, a connoisseur of the best things of God, informed on the latest doctrines! I have a special word of caution for you who are sure that you have it all together yourselves and, because you know God’s revealed Word inside and out, feel qualified to guide others through their blind alleys and dark nights and confused emotions to God. While you are guiding others, who is going to guide you? I’m quite serious. While preaching “Don’t steal!” are you going to rob people blind? Who would suspect you? The same with adultery. The same with idolatry. You can get by with almost anything if you front it with eloquent talk about God and his law. The line from Scripture, “It’s because of you Jews that the outsiders are down on God,” shows it’s an old problem that isn’t going to go away.

 

It does not seem to me that you are not able to read and comprehend what you read or else you would not be so wrong on everything you have said about the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:29 does not say they baptized the dead, it says what shall they do which are baptized for the dead? If you read the chapter starting in verse 12 you will see who the writer is referring to as the dead......Paul is referring to Jesus. Unfortunately some Christians were saying that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:12-29 (KJV)
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

 

Those who don't know God have no excuse, as he reveals himself in nature - it is not necessary to hear about Jesus to discover God.

 

Wow. I guess it's a good thing that I don't rely on Christians to teach me theology.

I'd be screwed.

 

"He reveals himself in nature". Sounds like a flasher jumping out of the bushes.

 

Ah the trouble with laying pearls before swine manifested in the last two posts.

 

Why so quick to condemn those who don't follow your beliefs?

I have my own, and have no need for Christianity or your "pearls".
Particularly when it would sentence me to eternal punishment simply for using a different religion to worship God.

 

it's all bull(*)(*)(*)(*).