Liberal Christians

Can't you separate politics from religion?

The govt has no authority to regulate religious beliefs, and that includes whether or not your church allows gay marriage.

 

You mean drivel from the Old Testament justifies half-witted prejudices? Read the New Testament sometime, do!

 

The New Testament mentions homosexuality as sinful, so your point is what?

 

Where is that, and did Jesus say it, and does it come from a believable source? You characters really are desperate, aren't you? Paul, I imagine. We must love one another or die, and persecutors are for the bonfire, in my view.

 

Why does it matter what the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bible says?

Is that in the US Constitution?

 

No one can answer that one?

Is it in the US Constitution that we have to consider what the Christian bible says?

 

The Constitution is irrelevant to what the Bible's stance on homosexuality, this thread is not about the Constitution.

 

When someone gives an answer like yours…it only shows ignorance of the Bible… go study the differences between OT and NT law….then come back.

 

The Constitution is relevant to every discussion cricket.

Everything I discuss revolves around individual liberty. That is the meaning of living in a free society.

 

Where does the Bible say that if you have personal moral beliefs that you are supposed to force those beliefs on others via the law?

One can personally oppose gay marriage or gay lifestyles and not believe in forcing others to follow those beliefs.

 

This subject isn't about the legality of gay marriage, so no it's not relevant.

 

Yes, it matters a great deal. Christianity derives from Jesus, a great moral genius. What he is recorded as saying he probably said, because his followers revered him. 'The Bible' is a mixture of tribal myth, racist history and various other things, unimportant to anyone by a groveller looking for supportive lies. Your Eighteenth Century Constitution was good stuff for rich tax dodgers back then.

 

So-called 'christians' routinely ignore those sections of the bible they find uncomfortable or, frankly, absurd-for convenience. Of course they also ignore that the word of their god is, according to the bible, immutable and law, rendering the bible not open to question, interpretation or change.
So, tell me, why do you identify as christian? Ate any shellfish recently?

 

Your wrong. There are some people who are physically attracted to children but who have the character and strength to not act on that attraction and thus live in misery because they can't have sex with those they are attracted to.

I have first hand knowledge of this. My father is in jail for screwing both my sisters.

 

Jesus did NOT nullify the law. He fulfilled it, which means He brought us an avenue for forgiveness when we sin. Stealing and murder are still wrong in his book.

Remember the day that Jesus took action against the people in the temple? He set down and took the time to braid a leather whip. Probably took hours. He then stood up and flogged the people that were perpetrating the wrong; droving them out of the temple. No turning the other cheek that day. He used force. Jesus also sent his disciples out and told them that sometimes they were to carry nothing but their clothes. Other times they were to carry a sword as well. Jesus always looked at the situation and took the action that was right. Sometimes turning the other cheek is right, sometimes righteous violence is called for. Sometimes you build wealth (fill the store houses) and sometimes you give it away. Its all based on the situation and the heart of the individual. For instance, when the rich young ruler asked how to get into heaven, Jesus knew his heart and knew he prized his money above all. So when he told him to give up what he worshiped most, the rich young ruler declined. But it wasn't like that with other rich people he addressed. Zacharius (sp?) ( little man in the tree) was a tax collector. He was wealthy. Jesus saw his heart. He didn't ask that Z sell all that he had. No that day Jesus said "lunch is on you!". King Solomon wrote, there is a time for EVERY purpose under the sun. We just need to be sure we strive to take the right action in every situation. If we don't there is always forgiveness.

 

Oh, those poor persecuted pedophiles.

Then he's a sick individual who deserves to be there.

What about Trekkies - are you saying they live in misery because they can't have sex... period? A person isn't entitled to have sex at all, it's a privilege, not a right, and if a person's happiness is dependent on being able to have sex with a child or an animal then they have way deeper problems than their perverse desires could ever fulfill.

 

What is written in the bible should have as much impact on the conduct of the US govt as what is written in the quran, or any other religous text. ZERO

 

In a different space-time continuum maybe. Since the bullyboys claim to be Christian, however, to be faced by what Jesus actually said, as opposed to their 'Judeo-Christian-tradition' drivel might be important.

 

sure.

But Im talking about what is right and wrong, not what is actually going on with our elected officials.

 

WRONG!!!! Matthew 5:17 - Jesus said ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

 

Ever heard of "Freedom of Religion"?

I was taught as a Christian to lead by example, not cast stones at people who don't follow my beliefs.

You can't have a law that prevents you from a sin. Because not all religions have the same sins. Freedom of Religion, remember? Christianity is in the parties platforms, not the Constitution.

*End of this and every thread like it*

 

I believe pedo's can be born attracted to kids, but the thing is, unlike gays, pedo's are actually hurting people, similar to someone born a sociopath. Its not their fault, but I can't feel sorry for them, and they should be locked up.

 

No, pedophilia isn't something that people are automatically born with, it's caused by psychological damage (usually the result of being molested) and/or defects in the brain.

Sociopathy is caused by a combinations of genetics and cultural influence (ex. glorification of violence in the media).

 

He is talking about your book.

I would have assumed you would know what he is referring to.

 

Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality.

What is your point?