Candidate Calls Holocaust 'Blackest Lie In History'

This is a complex issue that requires a lot of time.

A good place to start is by reading Theodor Herzl's 1896 booklet "The Jewish State." http://www.mideastweb.org/jewishstate.pdf

It explains the master plan for stealing Palestine. The problem he faced was that the German Jews didn't want to leave Germany. So they had to be forced.

Then you can read daily articles in the New York Times archives. http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/nytarchive.html Just search by various key words, such as JEWS HERE TO PUSH BOYCOTT ON HITLER; most of the articles used to be free. I think that the NY Times is now charging for them. If you have a good local library you should be able to read them on microfilm.

In 1943 a Zionist agent went to Washington with a tale that the Germans had killed 8 million Jews. Even the D.C. dummies wouldn't buy that lie. Eventually they settled upon the magic 6 million, which is also a big lie. However, by the use of brainwashing and coercion skeptics have been slapped upside the head hard enough that few have the guts to publicly question it.

When the war started (1941) there were fewer than 100,000 Jews in all of Germany. A lot had gone to Poland, where they ran into the Nazis and the Soviets.

Before WWI there were fewer than 14,000 Jews in all of Palestine.
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But you do realize that if you "mimimize the numbers" in any way that you will go to jail in Europe....and the U.S. government will send out goons to arrest you and send you to Europe.....

 

Very disturbing picture, in fact having the hand where it is it looks staged. But let's say you are correct. From what I have read it takes about one to two hours to cremate an average body. From the math based on alleged deaths, it would have taken the entire existence that Auschwitz was working, to kill and cremate 2,000 people per day, with those ovens burning around the clock, three corpses per vessel. Even with burning them say for half the time, that's at least a three hour burn per chamber, allow to cool enough to remove the remains, fill again, and the cycle continues. That's what I understand from what I have seen and read, and again assuming you can only partly burn them for disposal. The problem is it appears to be a very large exaggeration of capability to do the atrocities in the numbers claimed. That is where the conflict arises for some people.

If someone can post reliable information that debunks the Auschwitz video, I'd be more than thrilled to see it because what I saw there made me quite disturbed.

And any with the idea, save your Jew hater crap. I'm asking questions.

 

Does the door to the gas chamber HAVE to be airtight for the poisonous gas to kill you? Houses aren't airtight either but a radon leak can still kill you in your sleep, same with carbon monoxide. If they were using these chambers to suffocate them and not gas them with poisonous gas, I might buy your theory.

 

It could be ten people and it would still matter. This is my problem with the narrative. I doubt its 6 million, but I also don't care if it was dozen. It was still evil.

 

Very true, but the problem arises when (and if) people exaggerate, make false claims, or otherwise muddy the water with suspect contentions. Then everything is open to scrutiny and for what? Just so it can sound even worse when it's already bad enough?

 

Sorry I don't know how to link to another post in another thread. so Ill just copy it. this is the debunking you are looking for. I did this for Jack and his other denier pals. I have been an aggresive opponent of holocaust denial, and from what I have seen from the jew haters around here, I know way more than they do about their little fantasy. (I'm still waiting for Jack to post his detailed explanation of the protocols so I can trash that too.)

If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

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There is no question that the jews of Nazi europe were targeted for mass extermination. This places them in a different category (with roms, gays and mentally handicapped) than all other victims.

The actual exact number will never be determined. Do you think that Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann and the rest of the tottenkopfs were stupid and didn't know they were committing massive crimes? That they would actually clearly document direct orders, or would they make vague inoccuous references like "special action"?

I do not think 6 million jews were exterminated in the gas chambers. A very large number were executed by the Einzatzgruppen. Another large number died of disease and starvation. How many were gassed? anyone that give you an exact number is not credible.

Now David Cole: you are familiar with the repudiation of his revisionism including all his little videos and his consequent fading into obscurity aren't you? so the guy you are referencing no longer believes in the stuff you take as true.

But just a few quick comments:
He first references the Leuchter report which as long since been totally discredited, even by him. He was an amateur buffoon, who went to Aushwitz on his honeymoon and had to steal his samples by vandalize the exhibits. the video below exposes exactly how laughably incompetent he was. And then there is the fascinating documentry - Mr.Death- the rise and fall of Fred Leuchter.

Cole then lies and says that the Institute for Forensic Research confirmed his findings. - funny the report says exactly the opposite.
this link has copy of the IFR report. http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/poli...nsic-research/.

He claims that the roof vents couldnt be seen in blow ups of aerial recon photos. I was competely unaware that the allies had the technology to take pictures from 30,000 ft with a resolution that would enable anyone to see detail a small as 2 ft square, no matter how much you could enlargen it.

"Prussian Blue" is in evidence in the defumagation rooms because if you had bothered to do your own research, you would have found that defumigation with zyklon B requires at least 24 hours of exposure without ventilation and were conducted in rooms of wood or brick. In a gas chamber, the gas kills very quickly, the is high humidity and the gas was vented with a few minutes and the walls were painted concrete. Given those parameters, all you have to do now is learn something about the chemical behaviour of potassium cyanide.

This video is extremely informative and hoists Leuchter by his own words and actions. Much of the footage is from Mr. Death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47jeOYLauxw

 

I'll look at this tomorrow, thanks.

 

Nazi propaganda materials and laws show those others were likewise targeted, as were dissenters. The Roms are hated all over Europe and have been for countless years. The handicapped messed with German eugenics. I think that the actions of the Nazis speak clearly that there were many people they felt were unnecessary.

 

I don't think anyone has ever denied that Jews weren't killed. The problem is that they claim special victim status. King Leopold II of Belgium killed 10-12 million black Africans in the Congo when he stole the area blind. The Spanish pretty much exterminated the indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere. Tens of millions of black Africans died in slavery in the Western Hemisphere. The U.S. government killed off almost all of the indigenous people that the Spanish missed.

And based on the Bible fairy tale that recounts how the Jews committed countless genocides against the Middle East people if they did get whacked in WWII they deserved it. The main reason why people keep blabbing about it is that white Germans killed white Jews. If the Germans had killed black Africans it wouldn't have even made the news.

In the meantime while the white Germans were killing the white Jews white Americans were treating their fellow black Soldiers who were fighting the Germans like dirt.

It turned out just as Theodor Herzl had planned it. The Jews ended up stealing Palestine and putting the locals on reservations. And they got the Americans to pay for it. Heck, they even dumped 34 "holocaust" museums, memorials, and centers in America to remind us how special they are.

On the scale of things Titus did a better job when he destroyed Jerusalem. It took them about 640 years before they regrouped and collaborated with the muslims against the Christians in the conquest of Spain.

 

I guess starvation isn't as bad as a hangnail. Much rather have Dysentry than a hang nail. This typhoid is a breeze compared to a hangnail. The 60 years of nightmares are infinitely better than the dreaded hangnail. The unrelenting fear is a walk in the park to a hangnail. This survivor guilt is a breeze to handle compared to a hangnail.

Your little hangnail comment is a run of the mill example of jew hating revisionist ignorance and callous disregard.

Millions died. Jews, Roms, gays, mentally disabled, poles, russians. and you come up with a brilliant comment like that. Some really impressive critical thinking you got there wyrd.

 

It's hard as heck to cram more than one corpse in a one corpse crematory oven. It really slows down the burning with two diseased bodies crammed in there.

 

As a Jew, I think I speak for all of us when I say: (*)(*)(*)(*) all of the holocaust deniers on this thread. Seriously, (*)(*)(*)(*) you. Yea yea I get it, this guy is on your team, you're a blind partisan. Go crawl into a pit and die, the holocaust happened, and it's the largest genocide in human history.

 

Millions have died in Russia, in China, in Cambodia, and yes, in Germany because human beings are apathetic creatures. If it doesn't happen to you, it didn't happen. That's generally how we feel.

It's why it will always happen every so often. I have to quit beating my head against a wall on this one because people pretty much do not care.

 

Maybe thats why there was always lots of chunks left to get dumped into mass graves afterwards...

 

I agree with Wyrd Of Gawd in post #172. I think he's mostly right or close to the mark. As for me I burned out on this Jewish victimology. Roughly 27 million citizens of the USSR died beating the Nazis, I don't know how many Polish, French or other people laid down their lives to defeat Germany or were indirectly victims of the Nazi regime.

What makes Jews so special? Are Jews better than Poles? The French? A woman dying of typhus in Smolensk in 1942? Currently considering the things I have seen and heard such as the fact that you can be jailed for speaking against or even questioning the holocaust, the conduct of Israel in the last 20 years I have lost all respect.

 

They claim special victim status because they were. They were specifically targeted for extermination (this was long before the trendy word genocide was coined). the nazi's invented industrialized murder specifically for them. The "final solution" was all about wiping out the jews. And naturally taking all their property and wealth.

I don't disagree. the crimes of colonialism are pretty well documented. And victors never get prosecuted. But I totally disagree that the main reason is whites killing whites. The main reason people keep "blabbing" is the deliberate and methodical attempt to exterminate an entire people and the various methods those scumbag Nazi's used. It is a chilling indictment of exactly how depraved the human animal can become.

Your point is? There is no moral equivalency. I do agree that racism and segregation are morally wrong. But can't remember the black soldiers getting gassed and thrown in ovens.

Same old canard. "herzl planned the holocaust" that is just further idiotic revisionism without a shred of credible proof. America didn't pay for the establishment of Israel. seems you can't even get simple facts right.

As for the museums. Its the jews way of reminding everyone on the planet NEVER AGAIN! And they have been kicking ass and taking names for the past 70 years. Why do you think the Israelis have a not so secret nuclear arsenal and why they couldnt give a good crap what anybody else says? NEVER AGAIN!

Seriously? the jews collaborated with the muslims in conquest? Or did they merely welcome the change in overlords since the muslims were relatively cool as long as the jizra was paid.

 

Where's your bucket of tears for the Union troops who were starved to death in Rebel concentration camps? http://thomaslegioncherokee.tripod....sitebuilderpictures/civilwarprisonerofwar.jpg

http://www.thomaslegion.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/civilwarprisoner.jpg

 

Not by a long shot. An estimated 14 to 17 million citizens of the USSR died due to German policy in the east. That's from disease, starvation and Nazi policy to clear the land of the "sub-humans". Your not special.

 

Oh yes there are tons of bullcrap stories. But, for every bullcrap story there are tens of thousands of true ones.
Yes the numbers are in dispute and there never will be a definitive number arrived at.

And no I cannot go to jail in Europe for saying that at all. I am not denying the holocaust at all. I am not using holocaust denial as a platform for spreading anti-semitism(oh sorry some of you are tired of that label, so lets call it jew hatred instead). I am not in any way attempting to rehabilitate Nazis. I am not inciting violence.

It would seem you have very superficial knowledge, if you merely repeat that "go to jail if you question" flaming turd.

 

One of the saddest, sickest most ignorant things I have ever read, anywhere.

 

Being from this region and having family who dealt with both Germans and Russians/Soviets I have the same urge to say: Hello, did you forget about our people that died in millions upon millions, but ... it's not a contest.

Worse yet, we've yet to change the nature of humanity and government in order to prevent this in the future.

I don't begrudge Jewish culture its pain for this frightening event and if Jewish people want to be angry, they have every right. Just as my family has every right to be angry for the people we lost.

It's just anger ultimately gets you nowhere. Those people are gone and they cannot be brought back. Those of the WWII era, our great grandparents and grandparents are sadly gone and nothing can be done for it now. All we can do is learn not to demonize each other and dehumanize each other.

Look at his forum tonight...its ugly. That vile spirit of hate, envy, and pride is what causes this type of history to repeat itself.

 

The short answer: Brown Snow.

 

Unbelieveable. Herzl was dead by 1904.
Did the zionist try to get as many jews out of europe? Absolutely

Did a zionist faction offer a deal to the Nazis to get jews to palestine with most of their wealth? yes was called the Haavara Agreement signed in 1933, long before.kristallnacht. and the nazis stiffed them anyway.

Did the stern gang propose to the Nazis that in exchange for shipping jews to palestine that they would fight the british? Yep but by that time it was too late.

No, the 6 million is not a big lie. It is an estimate derived from the nuremberg trail research. Today estimates range from 1.5 million (non credible) to 8 million (non credible) with more or less a concensus (among the credible researchers) of between 5 and 6 million.

The war started in 1939 bubby. By 1941 I don't doubt there were less than 100,000 jews left. But in 1939 there were over 500,000. And that lot that went to Poland? they went on cattle cars.

But thanks for demonstrating that holocaust deniers do not have command of the facts and don't really care about the facts or are way too lazy to do some really simple research to find out that garbage they get from Stormfront, CODOH, Barnes, Mattagno, Rudolph, et. al. is a big steaming pile of shytte.

 

Well said. I can respect that. Sadly on this subject I fell that I must take sides and do so. I cannot say that it is right, merely the lesser of 2 evils.