Lindsey Graham Slams Rand Paul On Foreign Aid Cut Proposal

A more detailed position from Graham:

I guess Graham is saying that we cannot expect meaningful alliances with countries in the ME unless we bribe them with tax dollars we clearly do not have, though Graham, for obvious reasons, fails to delve into the COST of all this bribery. So the question is: Why are neo-conservatives like Graham so obsessed with sticking their noses into the internal affairs of other countries, and why are they so against holding those nations accountable when they fail to act as our allies? Does Graham really think our national security interests in the region hinge on a few billion dollars that probably goes into the pockets of corrupt officials and special interest groups anyway? What does the US have to show for all its foreign aid expenditures in the ME? Perhaps Graham can actually EXPLAIN why this negatively impact our situation in the ME instead of just ASSERTING that it does.

Bottom line: Rand is right and the neo-cons are wrong. Our LIMITED tax dollars should be spent wisely and not a penny of foreign aid should go to any government or nominal social entity who does not actually behave like an ally. I'd love to hear reasons to the contrary.

P.S. - It wasn't just the neo-cons attacking Rand. Democrat Senator Blumenthal is another fan of sending finite US tax dollars to foreign ingrates for no particular reason at all.

 

First--I never thought Lindsey Graham as a conservative. He is much more on the "establishment" category. He is someone more in line with controlling our free speech to calm down Muslims. He is a McCain type republican that relies less on principal and more on how the wind is blowing at the time.

Our national security is dependent on our backbone as a nation and our focus on winning wars instead of nation building. Standing up for our way of life and following the tenants of our Constitution for instance----is important for our national security.

I think you will find many staunch true conservatives wanting to pull back our support for nations that kill our people and demand that we throw out our own Constitutution.

Top politicians and leaders of some of these nations are giving a REWARD for killing our citizens who follow our Constitution! How can not conservatives get defiant over that??

Nope...Lindsey Graham is a wayward politician that can't be trusted.

BUT--conservatives do believe in intervening for our national security when its beneficial for our security. It is just that bribing the enemy is not beneficial and hurts us in the long and short run.

 

Why would we trust the CIA? They have to justify their budget somehow and..they helped bring us the "Arab Spring".

Regardless, we're broke. We shouldn't be borrowing from China to give money to nations that hate us--or nations that like us, for that matter.

 

Lindsey Graham is a warmongering psychopath. I don't care what he thinks, at all.

 

This reminds me of a Senator Demint interview with Reason Magazine:

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He goes into many topics but at the end he speaks about the Republican Party's future without libertarian support and engagement (25:16). He is exactly right that the GOP will wither away into irrelevancy without cooperation between REAL conservatives like Demint (who I like) and libertarians like Rand and Gary Johnson. The only ones who are stopping this coalition from reducing the size of government are big government loving adventurists like Graham. By the way, Demint voted with Rand.

 

This thread will die because a) it's not criticizing Obama, b) it' not criticizing Romney, c) it's etched in truth, and d) the truth is always something partisans are uncomfortable with.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ni-nPc6gT4

Look at this idiot, getting into it, all excited about the NDAA. Want a lawyer? Shut up. Who cares if you're potentially innocent? No trial for you. Sickening.

 

Yes, they love it.

 

I hate being right.

 

Breaking news: Rand Paul and Lindsey Graham caught having gay sex in public bathroom!

Now this thread will REALLY get going...

 

Too true, too true.


I'll stay on topic once more and say that how can they claim "small government" and "fiscal conservatism" and want to borrow from China to give aid to someone else. What part of 16 trillion to do they not get?

[video=youtube;mTR8rEKnWZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTR8rEKnWZM[/video]

 

If Graham is against you, you're doing the right thing. This is why I keep saying that things are changing in DC. Rand Paul is not alone.

 

Is it any coincidence that its the same two names always speaking out for liberty? Rand and Ron? I don't see things changing that much. I just see another Paul in there making sense.

Again.

 

They are a rare breed. We will see more of this so long as we keep demanding accountability and keep supporting groups that will field candidates to run in Republican primaries against the status quo.

But it's going to take a long time. Sad, but true.

 

And one more thing that I continue to believe- Rand Paul does not come off kooky or "out there" in any way, and when he is stared at in congressional hearings by dunderheads who like to paint him as such, he stands strong and capable and thoughtful. I saw him literally ask some stupid bytch (I think from EPA) why he cannot buy a toilet that flushes properly. She tried to play it off like he is some goofball, but he stood his ground and came out on top of that exchange. BTW, I concur on these crap (punny huh?) toilets we have to buy now because they are low water use. Absolute junk you need to flush three times after a healthy meal. But anyway, Rand may think like his father but he does not act like his father; he is much more even-handed in approach and doesn't look, well, loony- like his father. He's going places that young man.

 

Ron Paul only looked "kooky" because he was in individual speaking truth in a sea of group-thinkers espousing insanity.

 

Only partly true. Correct when your ideas are constitutional everyone looks around and says "constitution?" But his demeanor is odd. He does not present a picture of sanity, sorry but it's true. It's not his message, it's his delivery. His voice pitches like a punch drunk rooster and he flails his arms like he's trying to gain hold of a balance beam. It doesn't play well in mainstream USA. His son is another story.

I stick to that.

 

He's old! At his age we'd all be so lucky to speak as eloquently.

 

We spend less than 1% of our budget on foreign aid. Ending it is not going to balance our budget and we will lose the valuable influence it buys us. Why do you think Israel sat down and shut up when Saddam was lauching scuds at them? Its because we told them too and they listen because they don't want to lose their aid.

 

All it's bought us is more problems.

 

Well, all of that is nice and all but we're 16 trillion in debt right now. We can barely afford our own government, much less afford to take on debt to assist others.

Do you tell people with credit card debt and zero savings to put donations to their favorite political party on a credit card?

We are broke. Period. End of story.

 

Didn't really need to read ANYTHING to confirm that. Grahamnesty has never been really right on any issue. Why does he still have a job while DeMint has term limited himself?

 

This happens in the PRIMARY, Libertarians. This is your shot.

A Johnson vote now is masterbatory.

 

Keep this on the down low: It's the Tea Party.