Should We Launch A World War Against Islam?

You might try reading more scholarly sources of history.

 

http://www.allabouttruth.org/history-of-the-holy-bible-faq.htm

http://www.allabouttruth.org/history-of-the-holy-bible-faq.htm

 

Your grasp of history is myopic. Support for Israel began in 1948 when it was established by international agreement. What I can't fathom or relate to is how incredibly evil people like you are out there saying we should step aside so that Arab nations can slaughter and destroy Israel. I don't go along with the idiotic notion that just because they're pissed off at us means they must have a good reason for it. They're pissed off at us because they serve the same god that you do.

 

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http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/restoration_israel.htmhttp://defendproclaimthefaith.org/restoration_israel.htm

 

.org sources are usually agenda driven blogs..

Its amazing how people read a few that reinforce their own prejudices, and suddenly become experts on a subject.

I am also sceptical of anything with "bible" in its title having any relevance to the history of the middle east.

It is usually written by some ignorant god botherer salivating over the promise of the rapture..

 

You seem to have missed the second part of the post ..

"Legitimization of wholesale slaughter of innocents through religious zealotry" includes Christianity.

Teaching people not to question "just have faith" dissuades people from asking deep questions about themselves and our collective humanity .. and how to make the world a better place ... "just leave it in God's hands" .. "its God's will"

Apocalyptic beliefs - the world is ending soon so issues such as Global warming, increased pollution due to increasing population, nuclear war are no big deal .. and even might be "part of God's plan".

We saw in the middle ages and for many centuries previos how the influence of Christianity legitimized torture, state sponsored murder, theft, persecution and genocide.

The "black vs white" "Good vs Evil" "God vs Devil" mindset helps to legitimize state acts of terror and dehumanize the victims. "God loving Christians vs the Evil Communists" was the underlying idea that closed peoples minds to the horrible attrocities that we supported in El Salvador, Guatamala, East Timor, to name just a scant few.

Case in point: https://pages.psdr3.org/groups/mrscoleswiki/revisions/5bb43/26/

1) A bad guy commits genocide on a people and we decide to give these people their own state on land that they have no ligitimate title to (other than these are God's Chosen People" ( I am referring to Israel of course)

2)A few decades later bad guy armed and supported by US money and military equipment attacks a soverign nation of (this action is condemned by the UN) and over the next 15 years genocide is committed resulting in the death of an estimated 1/3 of the population of tribal islanders.

It is true that most in the US are blissfully ignorant of our support of these and other genocidal maniacs, but for those that did hear about it most just dismissed it on the basis of mental gymnastics such as "are good Christian leaders would never do such a thing" .. an example of trained blind faith and systemic ignorance induced by a myopic religion centered world view.

 

The manner being advocated by the psychos here is purely physical however.

 

What absurd BS. NOTHING within Christianity advocates the wholesale slaughter of innocents. I get the impression you dont know the first thing about either religion.

 

Yes that is true and they also feel like they must adhere to the 'Party Line'..the liberal dogma which they follow blindly and obediently...to veer from that would not be acceptable to their world view....so the most these sorts will get from all the truth presented on here is a uncomfortble feeling coupled with anger at those that will not respect their hogwash.

Truly pathetic....and of course most of their belief system....aka the 'party line' can be traced back to a public school education.........the beginning ground for their pc indoctrination....reinforced by the media, hollyweird and their fellow *******s. All of which has conspired to make them unable to see or discern truth and unable to think outside the box of political correctness.

 

It's a diseased mindset that's all too prevelant, to want to equate Christianity with Islam and other religions as if there were no difference. People like that draw upon what they think is well established and everyone knows and understands, that Christianity is guilty of massecres and outrageous acts. "Inquisition and the Crusades," they say, expecting everyone to nod in agreement. They depend on an axiom of ignorance that withers away when exposed to scrutiny. When supposed acts of Christian brutality are closely examined through the lens of accurate history, it's not even close to what people think it is. Popular history does not hold sway against the facts closely examined. It's not that Christianity is unsullied by historical wrongs, it's that Christianity isn't nearly the monster people try to make it out to be.

 

Then again Jesus was not anti-war. If the government has us go to war, as long as it isn't against the faith, then that is alright.

 

Just contains monsters and monstrous acts but what doesn’t with people

But at the same time this thread is about treating every Muslim as a monster

 

When I went to truck driving school, I was broke and penniless...and hungry. My assigned roommate was a Muslim, as very evident by his garb and prayer rug he kept with him. Devout. He had some fried chicken and other things and offered them to me without even being asked. I since learned that in Islamic piety, it's required to not let a hungry person go unfed, much like in my own Christian tradition. I don't think anyone believes all Muslims are monsters and I don't think that's what this thread is implying.

 

That’s even worse than as this thread is about declaring war on every Muslim it’s kind of impossible to wage a war on a religion and not on its followers there the only peel to wage that war on

 

Feel free to explain how the terrorists are misrepresenting Islam.

Correlation not causation logical fallacy.

 

If this thread was about a war on muslims it would suggest warring against all muslims.

Islam.

Difference is subtle but significant.

 

Hears what jack has to say about this man as you should know you posted on the page this is from

I don't care if the muslim was born here in the US. If they choose to side with the Arab fascist occult of death and terror then they should be treated as a foreign enemy and have their citizenship revoked. All muslims might not be active terrorists but they are all terrorist supporters. They look up to the terrorists as heroes and role models. If muslims don't like being treated like this then they are free to leave the country and live in one of the 57 Islamic nations.

you don’t think jack isn’t going after every Muslims this time?

 

I don't know what's in the heart of the OP author, I just know I'm not getting that impression. Here's where I think you're missing the point. We may not agree that we're at war with the Islamic world, but they're pretty unified in their war against us. In their view, Western society is a mortal enemy and must submit to Islam. Of course not every Muslim agrees with that, but if we fail to draw conclusions until every Muslim agrees, we'll continue to misinterpret their sentiments. In Canadian and UK surveys, 20% of Muslims agree with violence sometimes or often being appropriate to defend Islam. When you go to nations dominated by Muslims, those opinions are in the majority, with 45%-70% agreeing with suicide bombins and violent jihad. You think you're siding with Muslims by putting them in the most flattering light, but you're not listening to them, even when they fly planes into buildings trying to get your attention. You still go along with the myth that these are just a few violent extremists and that most Muslims are peaceful. And anyone, like myself, who point out that A LOT of Muslims justify violence in the name of religion, you then retort that I'm maligning ALL Muslims.

No wonder you misunderstand the purpose of this thread.

 

I disagree that they're all terror supporters, but you're just as wrong to think that terror supporters are in the minority. How many people need to die everytime Muhammad gets insulted? How many bombs need to be detonated? How many Ft. Hood shootings? How long will you ignore the fact that outrage from Muslims against acts of terror is conspicuously lacking? If a Christian were to commit violence in the name of God, the condemnation would be world wide and vociferous. We don't support terrorism in any way, but not so with Muslims. How long until you finally figure out that there's a reason for silent agreement among the vast majority of Muslims for acts of terror?

 

There goes a story about what Islam is really about. All this murder and (*)(*)(*)(*) is against the laws of Islam but the law is twisted to encourage the weak minded to bomb their way into hell.
What brought me to Islam was the hate in the western press. I was having sex with a lot of Chinese girls (So I had a fetish - sue me). Anyway, turns out some were from Malaysia and I got a few invitations to wander over there.
I googled - Oh, bugger, 60% Muslims, I'll never survive in a country full of suicide bombers.
I took the massive risk and, on my first morning, was viciously attacked by a man who forced me into a cafe to buy me a coffee.
It got far worse. Muslims were inviting me to restaurants and forcing delicious food on me, I even got terrorised into attending a wedding because I happened to be walking past at a moment when the bride's father popped out of the door.

It struck me that, if the Daily mail had got that much wrong, the rest was probably lies as well.
The truth is simple:
There are Muslim terrorists.
There are Muslims who think it's fine to treat women like crap.
There are Muslims who would kill you for no especially good reason.

The vast majority of Muslims would offer a stranger the last bit of food in their house, without thought of reward, if you looked hungry.

 

This is the guy you were arguing with when he said he had no problem rounding up all of our Muslim citizens and putting them into camps

no flattery involved we should attack nay one and nay nation that attacks us but jack and his lot claim we need to stamp out every trace of Islam regardless of what Muslims actually do and believe anywhere

 

I disagree that your experience in the Asian rim is due to Islam not being a violent religion. In Eastern Asian countries, they have little problem with Muslim terrorism simply because they don't put up with it like we do in Western nations. Yes they're are Muslims, but they don't have the right to riot, kill, and burn down embassies like they do here. Such violence is greeted with swift and brutal retaliation by their governments. You remember the riots in France where Muslim students were setting cars on fire? That would never happen in China, Japan, or the surrounding nations because they would be beat down hard.

But....

I think you're on to something. I think if we enforced the law like they do in the Orient, Muslims would turn to evangelization instead of violence to gain converts and promote their views. Perhaps "tolerance" is the wrong answer when it comes to dealing with jihaddhists.

 

As I have said many times.....not all Germans were Nazis....but look what happened there.

Also I have asked many times........how can we tell the difference between a good muslim and a bad one? It is inherently risky and foolish to wait till they prove themselves bad by killing someone.

At the very least we should deport those that have to be monitored by the FBI...why waste taxpayer money babysitting a bunch of potential terrorists. Get rid of them and yesterday would not be soon enough.

I am sure a great many liberals perished in the twin towers that mouthed the same bull hockey you do....like most liberals you let your 'idealism' overule any pragmatism or common sense you might have.

In clinical terminology you would probably be classifed as being a 'empath' ....that is someone who --when the enemy is charging them with a loaded weapon will lay down their weapon and attempt to engage the enemy with some benevolent conversation...like-- I know all you guys cant be dangerous.

Guys in combat in Vietnam quickly learned that some greenhorns simply would not fire at the charging Viet Cong....not that they were cowards...they were just 'empaths'...could not bring themselves to shoot a fellow human being even though he was trying to kill them.....their solution...make the greenhorns fire into dead bodys...that desensitized them enough so they would shoot the enemy.

 

My solution is much simpler. We stop allowing immigrants from Muslim countries, even with a student visa. Keep them out. There's nothing in the Constitution that grants these people rights or obligates us to approve all immigrants regardless of where they come from. Several Western nations are considering, or have already implimented such restrictions. So no, I don't agree with every solution Smilinjack comes up with. I think we have effective options at our disposal that don't violate the Constitution but are just as effective to curb the spread of violent jihad.