countries that are more free than the usa

Well, I'll put it this way. The way our system works, we have a lot of latitude in deportations.

As far as I understand it, a lot of the source of radicalization of youth in the U.K. has to do with immigrant clerics. If the clerics are there with a visa but aren't yet citizens, you could deport them without hate speech laws in place -- at least, our government can do that.

If you're in America with a visa, you're literally here at our discretion. Without citizenship, we can deport you even without a stated reason, although we usually give one.

I would assume something similar is possible over there.

Granted, I realize some of the troublemakers have citizenship. In those cases, it's a bit trickier, although the amount of background checking we do here for citizenship usually makes it very rare for a radical to gain citizenship here.

 

You've never been to Berlin.

 

It also makes it hard for legal immigrants to remain at times unless they have and anchor while illegals walk free.

 

Well, I guess it poses the question... Why not change your immigration policies?

Sad but true.

 

its all about their human rights, we have a few radical clerics here who have been linked to attacks etc but its really hard to deport them, we by law cant deport anyone to a country that has the death penalty (unless the country agrees to waive it) and also where they might face torture, so human rights lawyers always end up winning and they get to stay. we had a rare victory recently actually, we just deported a guy to america to stand trial, well extradited, think it was abu hamza the guy with the hook for a hand, really nasty individual, but victories like that are very rare.

 

Yeah... in first-world nations with a flat-rate operating budget for elected officials, the politicians are free from the tyrany of lobbyists.

 

we cant to a point, signed up the european human rights act, and also we take in a lot of people who are legitimate asylum seekers from the same countries where the terrorists come from so its really hard to differentiate between them. france has a habit of kicking their undesirables onto us as well.

 

I can get a corporation registered with about an hour's work. Never heard of spending a month. Sounds like you're reading too much internet.

 

While it is true that a lot of our peers have more restrictions on campaign funding, I would argue that lobbyism and special interests are still significant problems in most democracies.

They do have to jump through more hoops in systems like the English one, but it definitely still affects candidates and campaigning in general.

That being said, I do like the public funding system that Canada has.

 

This isn't a freedom I'd ever want to use, but holocaust denial is illegal in Germany.

 

I'll put it this way. America essentially views human rights as a tiered system. The rights of our citizens come first. If the actions of non-citizens negatively affect the rights of citizens, in principle at least, we attempt to deport the non-citizens. Granted, we don't consistently apply this to illegals, but that's because of the cheap labor factor.

In terms of self-interest, it seems like our way of doing things is more practical.

 

Not really. Political favors are still garnered in various ways. There are certainly reforms we could make to reduce the influence of lobbyism, but it's never going to disappear outright.

 

bear in mind, this is an attack on Americans from stupid uneducated peoples from around the globe. As usual, they destroy that which they fail to understand.
They try to tell us how to get 'er done without knowing what, how, and why.
The OP claims to be an expert with extensive education in political science, why that would make him a "champeen Bulls*I**er."
To bad we ain't buyin' outsourced manure.
If you are so sure about what it is, then move over here and change it or shut up.
It is always easier to criticize from outside of the ring than to don gloves and jump into the fray.
I remember Awrlrly. I think I may have had a hand in running that one off, working on two or three more

 

it probably is, the uk is an example of the crazies using the freedoms of a liberal democracy against said liberal democracy

 

It certainly seems that way oftentimes. What bugs me is when people fail to realize that the reason why some of these nutters get extradited here is because we're one of the few countries that seems able to separate human rights from practical concerns regarding extremists.

Admittedly, we do probably err too much on that side of things, but if we didn't, it would be considerably harder for the rest of the First World to deal with these guys.

I guess what it comes down to is that all freedoms have rational limits. It's just a matter of where to draw those limits that initiates the debate.

 

..of course you don't....

 

I've had this discussion with my Dutch colleagues many times mostly centered around the workplace. They usually cite things like we have to be so careful what we say to our co-workers for fear of being accused of sexual harrassment. I admit we have to think twice about telling someone they look nice, how you say it, etc. The Dutch can hang anything they want in they're workplace. When I go there I'm shocked at what people have on their bulletin boards. I could not hang a political sign or a nude picture in my cubical. It's not that I want to but I can't even if I wanted to. They cite many other examples but I think you get the point. These are not "big" issues but do impact our everyday life, probably more than some of the "big" issues. We're so overregulated on so many levels in the US. I'm not calling for de-regulation necessarily but our regulations definitely need to be smarter. We are expert in seeing the tree but missing the forest.

 

..move to Australia. You would fit in real fine there. they serve crackers with their wine

 

Uh huh... and *among* American citizens it's tiered by he who has the most money gets the most freedom.

Really... then why does it cost Americans twice as much per-capita to maintain armed forces to protect those self-interests than it does other first-world nations?

 

..big homes built on the blood of aboriginies spilt by convicts

 

I think that might be more of a cultural issue than a governmental one.

While it is true that regulation is the fault of some political correctness, civil laws are heavily dependent on interpretation. For example, what a Dutch person may perceive as harassment is probably different from what someone here would in some cases.

So, in effect, it sounds like the Dutch are a lot more laid back than us culturally. I doubt their harassment laws are that different from our own. It's just that their people likely are.

 

very well said, youre the acceptable face of america abroad. youre quite severe in your criminal justice system which usually Im not a fan of but with these guys its all they deserve, you just know ksm is being forced to watch gay porn every day in his jail cell and so he should be.

 

hahahaha

 

No they force gay sex on people in US prisons.

 

It is a felony in Indiana to walk into a bar, armed with a gun. I'm pretty sure it is that way in most states. But again, guns are a state issue, not Australia's issue.