"National Guard Whistleblower: 'Doomsday Preppers Will Be Treated As Terrorists'"

National Guard Whistleblower: “Doomsday Preppers Will Be Treated As Terrorists”


Melissa Melton
Infowars.com
October 25, 2012


“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”

So begins the Oath of Enlistment for the U.S. military, but in an explosive interview with a National Guard whistleblower shown below, soldiers are now being advised they will be ordered to break that oath should civil unrest erupt across the country.

Referred to only as “Soldier X” under promise of anonymity, an Army National Guardsman spoke via phone with Infowars Nightly News Producer Rob Dew regarding a recent briefing his unit underwent on actions the military would take in the event that an Obama election loss sparked rioting in America’s streets.

Citing not only recent widespread threats to riot if Mitt Romney were to become the next U.S. president, but threats to actually assassinate him should he win, Soldier X’s superiors dispensed plans of how the National Guard would be responsible for “taking over” and quelling such unrest.

The soldiers were reportedly told “Doomsday preppers will be treated as terrorists.”

In addition, guns will be confiscated.

“They have a list compiled of all these doomsday preppers that have gone public and they plan to go after them first,” Soldier X said. He claimed those in charge are acting under the belief that preppers will be “the worst part” of any potential civil unrest.

Soldier X was also told that any soldiers in the ranks who are known as preppers will be deemed “defects.” He explained the label meant these soldiers would be treated as traitors. “If you don’t conform, they will get rid of you,” he added.

Unit members also warned not to associate with any fellow soldiers who are preppers.

Not only does the military reportedly plan to target preppers should mass chaos break out, but Soldier X also voiced his concerns regarding civilian gun confiscation.

Soldier X admitted, “Our worry is that Obama’s gonna do what he said he’s gonna do and he’s gonna outlaw all weapons altogether and anybody’s name who is on a weapon, they’re gonna come to your house and try to take them.”

It would not be the first time the National Guard has been used to unconstitutionally disarm law-abiding citizens, robbing them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. In the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, police and military took to the streets disarming lawful gun owners, including those who were on dry land and had plenty of stored food and water.

Fast forward to this past summer when a leaked Army manual dated 2006 entitled, “Civil Disturbance Operations” surfaced outlining plans not only to confiscate firearms domestically during mass unrest, but to actually detain and even kill American citizens who refuse to hand over their guns. This manual works in conjunction with “FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations,” another Army manual leaked this year, which instructs troops on how to properly detain and intern Americans into re-education camps, including ways that so-called “psy-op officers” will “indoctrinate” incarcerated “political activists” into developing an “understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.”

Add these manuals to the plethora of Executive Orders Obama has signed during his term which have dismantled our Constitution piece by piece, including the martial law implementing National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order which gives the president the power to confiscate citizens’ private property in the event of any national emergency, including economic.

Add it all to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in which Obama granted powers to disappear and indefinitely detain American citizens without any due process, and it is easy to see the tyrannical big picture our government has painted.

When asked if he would go along with gun confiscation, Soldier X replied he and his fellow like-minded guardsmen planned to stand down — not answer the phone or show up to post.

“I’m sorry but I don’t believe in suicide,” he said.

Preppers are becoming regular government targets these days, most recently when a Missisippi prepper group member with a clean record was suddenly taken off his flight halfway to Japan and informed he was on the no-fly list, an FBI terrorist watchlist, stranding him in Hawaii. Other preppers have been denied their Second Amendment rights without legitimate cause.

It is beyond glaringly obvious at this point the U.S. government is gearing up for mass civil unrest. Not only has the DHS sparked controversy by purchasing billions of rounds of ammo, but the department even went so far as to begin classifying further purchases, blacking out bullet figures it is using taxpayer money to buy.

In addition, while FEMA can procure a billion dollars in bulk food supplies, the FBI’s Communities Against Terrorism project released a flier instructing military surplus store owners to report any customers who “make bulk purchases of items” including “meals ready to eat”.

Should society as we know it collapse following the election, it would seem the ultimate prepper and the ultimate terrorist is, indeed, the U.S. government.(End of Article)

http://www.infowars.com/national-gu...msday-preppers-will-be-treated-as-terrorists/

Please watch the video as well.

For the record: The American People that are "gun owners," "preppers," "survivalists," etc., WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS.

We love and support our American Heritage, U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL.

Most of ALL, we love and support our U.S. Military.

Our "Oath" does NOT end when you are NO longer serving. We carry that "Oath" all the way to the grave.

Please, DO NOT betray your "Oath."

I took the "Oath," and I will die by it, even though I am NOT serving in the U.S. Military.

Don't be brainwashed by the global fascists into thinking that we're the enemy or terrorists. We're NOT against you, we are very much FOR you, and we're on your side. We're fighting with you and for you.

The corrupt politicians in D.C., u.n., and nato are the REAL enemy and terrorists.

They have misused you, abused you, and they're continuing to.

They are trying to turn you against the American People. DO NOT fall for their schemes.

This is NOT your fault.

Continue to honor your "Oath."

www.oathkeepers.org

Thank you for your Service!!!

Your Service and Sacrifice will NEVER be in vein!!!

 

Doomsday preppers are doomed anyways since 90% of them don't know what the hell they are planning for.

If your not mobile for the first year or so at least your basically screwed.

 

Years ago I was in the Guard. Served 9 years,didn't see any combat,although my old unit did get called up for a tour in Iraq and 'Stan,but anyway,while I was in,around Dec of 1999,I was grocery shopping and I saw an old school mate of mine. Haven't seen him in years. He knew I was in the Guard and after we caught up on things,he sheepishly looked around to make sure no one was listening and he asked me if it's true that at midnight on Jan 1st if the state was going to declare marshal law and the Nat.Guard was coming in to take control. Remember,this was supposed to be for the Y2K bug thing. I just looked at him and asked where in the world did he hear this B.S.? He said the Klan was going around saying crap like that. So,after afew minutes explaining to him that his "friends" were really (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid,I told him he needs to stop talking to those idiots. Haven't talked to him since. Anyway,to the OP,take your tin foil hat off and just chill,mmmmkay???

 

Thank you for your response, and especially for your Service.

With ALL do respect, Sir, it looks like you're from Louisiana.

What happened after Hurricane Katrina?!

Martial Law was established, and the fascist police chief of New Orleans said, "No one is aloud to be armed. We're going to take ALL guns."

Police with National Guard went door to door, confiscating ALL firearms in New Orleans.

Many that did that woke up, and vowed to NEVER do that again. Others refused to obey such unConstitutional rules, laws, commands, and orders.

Janet Napolitano said herself, in a nutshell, that "If you're a Military Veteran coming back from fighting the war on terror, if you believe in apocalyptic literature, a law abiding citizen, against single issues like homosexuality, abortion, one world government / new world order, you are an extremist and a terrorist, and need to be monitored and surveiled."- Not exact quote but close.

Redefining terrorists and extremists to be good, innocent American Citizens that love their Country and Constitution.

It's clear, plain, and obvious that things are going on(fascist, socialist, communist, marxist crap, NOT seen since former nazi Germany and U.S.S.R.), happening in the United States.

NO tinfoil hat here, Sir.

These are the facts and truths.

With ALL due respect, you are very, very, very misinformed, and evidently asleep.

Many in the U.S. Military are awake to what kind of crap is going on in this Country. Many know something is dreadfully wrong. We're NOT what we used to be.

Do me and yourself a favor, and visit: www.oathkeepers.org

They're NOT tinfoil hat, paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories, they're facts and truths.

The United States of America as we once knew her is gone, history. We have been usurped. We're in a state of great distress and anarchy.

We have an enemy in the White House.

Sir, with ALL due respect, you need to wake up. If you served like you say you did, you should know and see what's really going on. If you're NOT angry with what's been going on, I have to question your loyalty and faithfulness to the Oath you swore, to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.

I took that Oath. Though I'm NOT serving in the U.S. Military presently, I meant what I said, and I'll die by it. Our Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL has been and is under attack. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that and figure that out.

www.oathkeepers.org

Do the research.

You're going to be blown away.

 

Wow, I only got one thing to say about all of this stuff.

Take off your tinfoil hat and stay away from the conspiracy nutcase websites.



Trust me, this is not real, somebody has fed them or you with a gigantic pile of fresh steaming coprolite.

 

Shill tactic Alert!!!!

If you want to argue the point then do it!

This is the primary attack the messenger technique, which is a cousin to the straw man.

 

Yeah, mushroom must be a global fascist advocate, obamayomama lover, too.

Man, they're all over this friggin website. Traitors of the American People, U.S. Constitution, their Oath, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL.

It's interesting how I post links and sources, and NO one ever posts links and sources refuting what I covered and shared.

Why is that?!

Because they know I'm right, and they don't have and can't get or find information to refute the sources and links I have posted.

They won't believe news I post because main stream news media won't cover or talk about it. "Oh, surely it's a conspiracy theory because main stream news didn't mention this.

Here's a special news bulletin: MAIN STREAM NEWS MEDIA IS CONTROLED!!!

They'd rather talk out of their arse and say, "tin foil hat, paranoid delusional conspiracy theorists," blah, blah, blah.

Please, someone, REFUTE ME, then, and I'll stand corrected.

.......

ANYONE???!!!

 

Pimptight,

Thank you for having my back, Brother!

mushroom must have ate one too many shrooms. He's from california, and, most likely, a lib **** whose brain's been fried.

These sissies intentionally and purposely spread mis and disinformation, trying to suppress the TRUTH and keep it down.

TRUTH will ALWAYS come out, exposing the darkness and evil.

NO ONE and NOTHING can defeat TRUTH.

The more people try suppressing and keeping it down, the more powerful TRUTH becomes, the more it comes out, the brighter it shines, and the more people wake up.

Our enemies are fighting an ever increasingly losing battle.

Stupid fascists.

 

Just because people don't hear certain things concerning news does NOT mean it's not happening.

 

ROFL

I mean, seriously, seriously?

I find this very funny, because most in here tend to have me placed politically slightly to the left of Atilla the Hun or Adolph Hitler.

How about this, my weekend drill was 2 days prior to the election, and we were told absolutely nothing about this. And since my drill is literally a stones throw from Baghdad by the Bay, I think we would have been among the first put on alert. And we would have been doing some serious training for this to happen.

Instead, we spent about half the time getting our uniforms ready for the Christmas Ball next month.

To me, this is simply more of the insane Conspiracy Theory type of nonsense that this board is becoming flooded with, and if the only things you can do is to try and insult me, this is pretty much over.

Tell me, how much time have the two of you spent in uniform? Myself, I have served for over 15 years, mostly on Active Duty. So if your only form of debate is to simply throw around insults I know this is nothing but coprolite.

And no, I am not attacking the messenger, I am attacking the ludacris nature of the claimed message.

I mean, come on, you are taking seriously something that was published by Alex Jones for goodness sakes! He is a leading conspiracy theorist, being the advocate of the charge that 9/11 was really a bunch of missiles launched at the buildings. Even among other conspiracy theorists he is considered to be a nutcase. And don't dare ever contradict Mr. Jones, because he and his followers are also rabid attack dogs, just ask Morton Devonshire.

 

Such a policy is completely credible in the age of Hussein Obama.

 

You can prepare for another 1929 crash or food-scarcity, but you cannot prepare, as these Doomsday preppers try, when the system is becoming totalitarian (historically seen after chaos (economy/dollar) followed by historical elections, the day when a large majority vote on 'their' leader, give up their vote/power.
The only way to 'prepare' is not let it happen, by simply don't give your vote/power to this system/rulers in such a chaotic situation and/or euforic situation as well (very important historical detail, chaotic/depression period followed by a eurofic/rappid growing economic period) As long as the people give up their power they continue their imperialistic agenda/empire building.

Yes, in such a large country as the US you need transportation if you plan to leave your home address. Because in such a state of totalitarianism they will call all men for duty one day (you won't be part of these massive armies, everybody should refuse them, but most were to late to see it coming) (to empire, is the process we are heading to all the time, slowly but surely they get control over the masses, twelve years and counting, most people still have not idea what is happening to them) Empires are always about control over the masses and war.

But this whistleblower (not a real one, that are common people on forums like this one, the people who understand this world/situation) information is coming from Infowars. That station never tells the details about history and that voting is the biggest danger for a nation (population) becoming totalitarian/an empire. The 'warnings' of Infowars is mainly fear mongering, telling half truths (which is deception/lies) Infowars is pro system (as almost all media is today, media/movie industry is completely taken over over a century of time)

 

I meant NO disrespect to you, Sir.

Thank you for your MANY years of Service!

Happy Veterans Day!

Thank you for Serving!

I felt attacked and blown off, labeled as a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist. I'm really not one, and have facts and truths to back things up.

I don't just research Alex Jones and what he has to say, nor do I believe everything he says. I have done much research and digging throughout many different sources and links on the internet.

I never heard him say missles were fired at the wtc. I whole heartedly believe, though, that it really was an inside job, that explosives were rigged throughout the many floors of both towers, on the inside. That is the exact reason why it looked like an implosion. There was also found thermite residue on some of the steel beams.

As far as the article above is concerned, more than likely, those of you overseas on foreign soil will not hear about or train for, at least right now, for what's going down in the United States.

Our Country is gone, Sir. I hate to say it, especially to our fighting Men and Women overseas. All of you more than deserve to have a Country to come back home to. America as we once knew her, is history. Fascism and socialism and tyranny are oppressing, harrassing, and terrorizing the American People. The American People are under attack, as well as the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL.

The ones hearing about and training for the things that are written in the above article are those that are stationed within the United States. They're NOT only training for this, but martial law on a very broad, wide, and major scale.

I don't want to burden you with any more negativity and bad news. You and your Soldiers have enough burden on you as it is.

I'm simply stating that we're very far gone as a Nation. The global fascists in D.C. have redefined good, innocent American Citizens to be extremists and terrorists.

In April 2009, DHS Secretary lesbo, Janet Napolitano, even said, "Veterans coming home from fighting the war on terror are terrorists and extremists."

This present government hasn't just turned on the American People that love and support their Country, Oath, Military, Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL, they have turned on YOU, the U.S. Military Soldier, who has fought for, sacrificed, bled, and many died to protect, that they and we may sleep peaceably in our beds at night.

For a government to turn on their own Military, there is NO greater crime. They are traitors, fascists, globalists.

Mushroom, if you would, Sir, please check out this link, if you haven't done so already.

www.oathkeepers.org

It is NOT a conspiracy website.

It is a website that is a HUGE wakeup call to what's been going on here, where they educate people about what is really going on in the U.S., and they get the word out to those, that if you took the Oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, to honor and keep your Oath. That Oath does NOT end once someone is finished serving in Military, Law Enforcement, Fire Department. We are bound to that Oath until we're in the grave. We carry that Oath with us all the way to the grave.

GOD BLESS YOU and YOUR TROOPS, SIR!

Thank you for your Service, and Happy Veterans Day!

www.oathkeepers.org

 

Then I look forward to seeing these "facts". Because as I frequently say, fats is what convinces me, not the ravings of conspiracy nuts.

Then who are these references?

Uhhh, yea, right. And who is behind that website?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

Uhhh, yea, right.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?s=stewart+rhodes&submit

Now granted, I am not nessicarily a big fan of the Southern Poverty Law Center. But when they mention groups as being potentially dangerious, I do take notice. Especially when they talk about militia connections.

Yep, so far that is an almost exact copy from the Militia Recruiting Handbook.

Yep, still more Militia Nonsense.

Same stuff, repeating a lot of stuff the Militias were saying during the Clinton administration.

Yep, another standard Militia tactic, open to "Real Americans" only, no immigrants allowed.

Oh, and also not a large follower of Mother Jones (an equally wacky Left Wing Conspiracy Theory site), but they did an interesting write-up of one of the members a few years ago.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

And yea, I did have a briefing on them at my base at the beginning of the year. At that time the Army was considering placing OathKeepers on a list of organizations off-limits to military members (this still has not been done, but they are watching them closely).

And think I am over-reacting?

http://dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_e3e48c72-4acf-11e0-87e8-001cc4c002e0.html

Yea, I call that pretty freaking demented and paranoid myself.

So if those are your two references, excuse me if I take them with a grain of salt.

A grain of salt the size of a bulldozer.

Now, can you show me a reference that does not come from some kind of conspiracy-nut type of site? Because as the old saying goes, you are judged by the company you keep. And you may or may not be a "nutcase", but if that is the only source you use for references, it tends to get you added to that fringe.

 

Bro,

You did what many people do, and you believe the redefining / redefinition of terrorists and extremists.

You're part of the problem, Sir.

Oath Keepers is NOT antigovernment at all, NONE WHATSOEVER.

They are for small, limited government.

The Tea Party is NOT antigovernment at all, NONE WHATSOEVER.

They are for small, limited government.

They've demonized and criminalized people like us(good, innocent American Citizens that love and support our Country, Military, Oath, Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence) because we're for small, limited government, and we expose corruption, evil, and tyranny.

People saying we're bad and antigovernment do so to criminalize and demonize us. We speak out against tyranny. This is Freedom of Speech, which they have turned around and called it hate speech.

They have criminalized and demonized what it means to be American.

You, as many others, have fallen prey to these lies that we're bad, antigovernment...etc., when we're NOT at all.

 

When the founder of one of your choice organizations urges people to form a militia, that is a problem.

And notice, you do not mention anything about Immigration, and like them repeatedly pronounce your "Americanism". Key Militia tells.

This is pretty much over. I heard the same thing from the Michigan Militia, Tim McVeigh, and far to many others over the decades to believe it. "Oh, we love the Government, they are just persecuting us unfairly!"

Uh-huh. Sorry, that whine pretty much lost all credability in my eyes when Robert Matthews was still alive.

 

With ALL do respect, mushroom,

You and MANY in the Military have been brainwashed that Oathkeepers is a Militia / Terrorist Faction, same as the Tea Party, etc.

Really, Oath Keepers on a watch list, Really?!

Really, the Military has problems with you being a member or going to the Oath Keepers website, Really?!

Why, then, Sir, are you and so many others serving in the U.S. Military?!

Is it not to defend the U.S. Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL?!

Oath Keepers is a very, very, very pro-Constitutional website.

If this is what you're all being told, we really are far gone as a Nation. And farther gone than I thought, if this kind of crap is being taught throughout the ranks in the U.S. Armed Forces.

Discussion is over, Sir.

I just hope you won't be dumb enough to march down our streets to confiscate American Citizens legally and lawfully owned firearms when everything comes crashing down. No offense.

If you do, make sure you're NOT wearing the U.S. Flag Patch on your uniform, because you would have betrayed EVERYTHING that is American if you do that fascist crap.

Rumor has it the u.n. will be assisting.

Will you be wearing one of the blue, global fascist u.n. helmets or u.n. berets?

LORD, have mercy.

I never would have thought such people would betray the American People, their Oath, the Constitution, and even their own Country.

You're very deceived and brainwashed, Sir.

I pray and hope you and those like you wake up before it's too late.

Again, Sir, NO offense.

I just can't believe the crap they're telling you guys concerning supposed antigovernment, and terrorist groups. We're NOT at all.

Our own government is the one who are the terrorists. They've gone rogue, harrassing, oppressing, and terrorizing good, innocent American Citizens.

They have demonized and criminalized absolutely everything, about what it means to be American.

They call us terrorists. We call them terrorists. We're ALL called terrorists.

It's gotten to the point where they're even calling Christians, terrorists.

Well, I guess that means I'm a terrorist and extremist.

That's all fine and dandy. I'll wear the name like a badge of honor, even though it's a friggin lie, and you know it.

 

There is NO problem with that, other than the fascists saying that is a problem.

It is Constitutional to form and have Militias.

It is the LAST line of defense for the free states.

You've been brain washed.

We're NOT terrorists.

 

Yeah, you can tell I'm a Militia / terrorist / extremist because I don't mention immigration?!

That is ludicrous, Sir!

How obsurd of a statement is that.

There are those like you in the Military, and there are those who are awake like myself.

There are those who will blindly follow unConstitutional rules, laws, orders, commands, and legislations, and there are others that will stand down.

Did they ask you questions about, "Would you fire upon American Citizens / Civilians?!" If they did, NO doubt you said yes, and that's why, and perhaps the only reason why you're still in. If you would've said no, you might have had to resign.

Don't say that's some conspiracy and Militia crap, because I know of U.S. Armed Servicemen that have been asked such questions.

They're turning you and using you against good, innocent American Citizens.

 

I must have scared mr. mushroom away.

You don't want to march down our streets, mr. mushroom, especially if you're assisting u.n. foreign troops and international police.

Honor your Oath! Keep it! Fulfill it! Too many are not! You don't want to be one of them! You do NOT want to be a traitor! There are too many of those! You know what, never mind, you already have because you're obeying and listening to the bs lies coming out of D.C.

Do us a favor and remove your U.S. Flag Patch from your uniform. You're NOT an American. You've betrayed EVERYTHING that is American.

What does it feel like to have betrayed your own Country, Countrymen, Oath, Constitution...How many are there that are like you, deceived and brainwashed?!

By the way, Alex Jones is to the right, NOT the liberal left as you presume.

Are you a globalist?!

Are you a fascist?!

Are you for the global fascist new world order?!

Are you a progressive?!

By the looks and sounds of things, Sir, ALL of the above?!

www.oathkeepers.org

Here's a news bulletin for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3e8bhR7OIg

 

I did not mention the Tea Party. However, a lot of fanatic groups do try to connect themselves to them, for a touch of respectability.

I said nothing about being on a "watch list", that is someting very different. I said they are watching them. If it seems they are dangerous, then a barring order will be issued, forbidding military members from being members.

And this is no different for other groups, like the Crips, KKK, and 2 "Car Clubs" that were banned last year at Fort Bliss for being involved in gang violence. That has not happened to Oath Keepers yet, but they are watching them closely.

And more of the "innocent American Citizens" stuff. Sorry my friend, but the more you put in, the more it smacks of Militiaism.

Yea, and the Klan said the same thing for decades. "Oh, we are being demonized, we are just making this country safe for "Real Americans".

Yea, right.

 

No, I simply have a life (and it is 1am here). And do not have the belief that posting 5 or 6 times in a row is the same thing as proof.

Ahh, threats. Always a good way to get people over to your side.

Well, guess what. I support all people, not just the "Real Americans" which you seem to think is all that matters.

So I expect you and I would end up on opposite sides. Because my oath clearly states "all enemies, Foreign and Domestic". And you seem to have placed yourself into one of those groups.

"UN Foreign Troops"? "International Police"? Really? Where on earth do you come up with stuff like that? Are you not aware that if anything, the US is the "UN Troops"? And I can't see INTERPOL getting involved here. For one, they are primarily an investigative organization, do no arrests, and simply assist other nations in doing police work themselves. So once again, a bunch of paranoia nonsense.

 

Oath Keepers are NOT dangerous. They're NOT even a Militia. Though the broad term Militia is anyone that is able and willing to take up a firearm in the defense of Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL. That's at least 70 - 80% of the American People.

Even though you're Military, that even puts you under Militia.

We're NOT related to ANY clan, gang, etc.

If someone, or a group, or an organization are being watched, then they're on a watch list.

 

The foreign and domestic enemies are those that would try to destroy, and who pose a threat to Freedom, and who would harm innocent people. That's what "terrorism" really is.

We're NOT doing any of that, Sir.

Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Marxism, and Globalism are enemies to and of America, our People, way of life, and Constitution. They're rampent in our Nation right now.

Would you be supporting that? Because many people in this Country are fascists.

 

No, I most certainly not am part of a "militia".

Here, these are Militia groups:

http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/list-of-u-s-militia-groups/

Notice, almost every single one of them makes the exact same claims that you are!

Well, let's see waht it says here about our old friends, the Michigan Militia. Everybody should be familiar with this group, because of the ties between them and Tim McVeigh.

Wow, sounds a lot like what you were saying! What else is out there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_militia

Hmmm, that sounds like half crazy talk, and half paranoia with Conspiracy Theory mixed in. Now this group was founded by former Airman Norman Olson. Now he himself owned and ran a 120 acre "Training Camp" in Michigan. And Mr. Olsen himself admitted that Terry Nichols attended meetings with him and his group.

Now, hold on tight, because this is where things get strange really fast, and I do not want to loose you.

According to Mr. Olsen, the Oaklahoma City bombing was really conducted by Japan. That's right, Japan. And it was in response to the Sarin Gas attacks in Tokyo that were done the month before by the United States (they were actually done by a religious cult).

Now myself, I knew within 1 hour of the attack in 1995 that it was domestic terrorism. That is because back in 1989, I spent some time with my unit's S-2 Officer, and he was doing a lot of research into the "Survivalist Movement", which was at that time starting to become the Militia Movement. He showed me information of several groups (including "The Order"), and also loaned me a book from his library which he informed me was their "Bible".



The book is full of references that will be back over and over again in the decades after I first picked it up. ZOG, The Order, and other such events.

Now The Order was a White Supremist group founded by Robert Matthews. It was named after the organization in The Turner Diaries. Also consisting of "Real Americans", they did assassinations and armored car robberies to fund their organization. According to "White Scripture", Mr. Matthews was assassinated in 1984. However, remember his name.

In the book, we also see a bombing of the FBI headquarters, with a large bomb placed in a truck and left just outside of the building.

See a similarity? The moment I learned that the Murrah Building had an FBI office in it, I knew it was domestic terrorism. My father-in-law and I even got into a heated argument that night, he was insisting it was "Arabs". He however admitted he was wrong once Tim was caught, and not only did he used to sell The Turner Diaries at gun shows, he had pages ripped out of it on him when he was arrested.

And the book did not end there. When James Byrd was dragged to death in Texas in 1998, one of the killers screamed "We're gonna start The Turner Diaries early!"

And there have been many other attacks and murders upon minorities by people who had the book, and many even quoted from it in police interviews. This is the book that keeps on killing.

Oh, and Robert Matthews was married, his wife was Debbie.

About 15 years later, Debbie Matthews was having problems with her boyfriend, Buford O. Furrow. Mr. Furrow went in for psychiatric care, being not only a heavy drinker but violent who had told psychiatric workers that not only did he hate anybody who was not White, he wanted to take place in a mass killing. And after he got out of the hospital, he drove down to Reseda, California.

There, Mr. Furrow, ex-bf of the widow of Robert Matthews shot up a Jewish run day care facility, injuring 3 children, a teenage assistant and an office worker. After he left, he carjacked another vehicle, then approached a postal worker on the street. After agreeing to mail a letter for him, Mr. Furrow then shot him 9 times with a 9mm pistol, both because he was a Philippino, and he was a Federal Employee.

I also grew up in Idaho, and had frequent run-ins with them. In one memorable one, I had a guy attempt to recruit me at the airport as I was waiting for my mom in my new Marine uniform. He urged me to come to their meeting in a few days, and gave me one of his cards. I smiled, and told him I would love to try, but since the meeting was Friday Night I would have to be in temple, and could I come by afterwards? It was almost comical watching the police escort him away.

And no, I am not Jewish, I just hate racists, and knew that would (*)(*)(*)(*) him off.

Apparently you look at these groups, and feel some kinship with them. To me, they are paranoid John Birchers, with guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement

And you my friend are using all of the right words. "Constitutional", "American", it just continues over and over again. You are saying their words, and I see it increasingly as you continue to post. And these are the types of groups I am supposed to support?

I will, over my dead body. Because these groups and those that support them stand against everything this country stands for. And I am finding it rather funny in that the more you are trying to convince me of the "rightness" of these organizations, the more you are confirming my views of their "wrongness".

"American" in their language generally means "Real American" (as in non-immigrant), or "White American". And you yourself already mentioned the need to end immigration, hence "Real American". Congratualtions, that is one of the major beliefs of the KKK, so you are already half-way there.

But please continue, and tell me more about these groups. I find it simply fascinating my friend. Of course, not much is really new to me, I have already been following these types of groups for over 20 years now.