Time To End The Israel Experiment.

64yrs is long enough of a trial period, right?

To pass judgement on a nation, it's Gov, it's adherence to laws, it's relations with neighbours, and so on.

To all but the Zionist apologist or Shabbot Goy, anyone human and fair would admit that 'Israel' (name stolen and used by creator, atheist Jew that mocked god, Hertzl), has been not merely a failed experiment, but a blight on all of mankind, not just the Middle East.

I never thought I would see the day when two guys on here, who were ordinarily defensive of Israel, had what they called a moment of ephiphany, and realise that their country, that being America, was being used, by these Jews.

And fair play for them for having the humility for coming back and taking on their new (and more just) position, since that takes a certain strenght of charachter, imo.

I have said elsewhere, that more and more Americans are going to tire of Israel and Zionist Jews, tire of the never ending monies, the never ending aid, the never ending ways they have to twist and turn, to make excuses for an ally, who, in the end, are a false ally of Americans, as the brave men who came through the USS Liberty attack, will tell you.

So that is America, and people in Europe (forget the bloody EU), the PEOPLE here, we already know what the Jews there are all about, thanks v much, and we are well aware that Israel are a blight.

Russia are now speaking out against Israel too, and to be honest, it is really time for radical action.

We just cannot permit Israel to go on, as it has, 45 yrs of a freaking miltary occupation, not to mention all their crap in our body politic, which undermines us.

Gentiles have had many many lands, through all of time, and you could probably list ten who have been a fantastic example, sure, they won't all have been success stories, all of the time, but by and large, we have managed to make a success of nations that we have formed.

Look at Israel. The one and v good change Jews have had of having a bash. One go. Over six decades.

Just LOOK at what they have turned it into. Leave aside their routine wars, and terrible treatment of a population which has about 50% kids, they are a welfare state, that rely on the hand outs of others, gentile nations actually, and they rely on protection, from gentile nations, and they rely on validation, from gentile nations, etc, etc, and it is never enough, they want more and more and more.

SCREW THEM.

They should be about as significant as Wales. Not (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing and telling the President of AMERICA what is what!!!!

And IF it is true that Jews were put upon people in history, IF their holocaust story is true, then this should make them the LAST people ever to engage in any actions which could be seen as a war crime, but no no, they have actually gone further in some cases, for example, sexual abuse of those interned, was a serious offence, among Germans.

Not for the Jews.

By now, they should have built a proper economy, and been entirely self sufficient, in legit business practice and industries.

Not land theft, bleeding money from hard working Americans, innocent Germans, the blood diamond industry, organised crime, organ traffikcing, human trafficking, and pouring what is meant to be MDMA into the US.

That's a crime synadicate, a retreat for those that are under suspicion, and a college for up and coming hucksters.

Al Capone would have fitted right in.

And maybe the Krays.

No use being cosmetic with this, the fact is, Jews cannot run and finance their state, without causing untold problems, all of the time.

Did Nazi Germany, or the regime of Pol Pott have the right to exist? No? Then neither do they have the right, they take advantage of rights, that is the problem, and they never stop.

If you were Putin or Obama, really, why would you care about them anymore?

Unless you were on the take.

You would join together, and force a one state solution, police it for the next 50yrs, if need be, but under gentile stewardship, it would be.

Any Zio punks that did not like it, fine, deport them back to Russia, Poland, or Germany.

Not asking them to stay, they can go play racist bully in their nation of origin.

For all those that wanted to live in peace, be educated together, etc, fine, that can happen, no problems there.

Put all members of the Knesset under arrests, pending war crimes trials, as well as Israeli commanders, who could have been show to have been involved in war crimes.

Remove and decommission their nukes.

Release all Palestinian and politcal prisoners.

Bring in a rule of law, that both would be expected to adhere to.

More moderate Jews, Arabs, and Christians for that matter, could establish a new Parliment, which would have limited powers.

As time went on, and if they earned it, those powers could be increased.

Instances of violence from either side would be subject to the type of laws governing violence, in most Western nations, depending on how serious.

A redistribution of wealth, so that the new state began on a more equal footing, socially.

All three religions protected in law, and their right to practice them, with respect.

I would cite US, Brits, and maybe Russia, as being the three that should implement this, for different reasons.

Yeah, hurl the abuse if you wish, or avoid points of contact, if you must, but this has to be a better option, for everyone save for some greedy Jews, that wish to hang onto the welfare cheques etc, forever...

 

I once talked to a woman who was a servant for a Jew, and boy did she hate Jews.

She went on and on and on about how horrible Jews were.

I listened to her, but didn't say much. I mean what can you say when a person is going on and on about how much they hate Jews?

There isn't much you can say, except "Uh huh" and "Hmm, mmm."

But I guess I will say to you what I should have said to her.

Sometimes I have found myself annoyed at Jews.

Most of them are liberal, most of them are atheist, and they voted for Obama even though he hates Israel.

They make war against the evangelicals, even though evangelicals are the best friend Israel has in the world.

I do believe that Jews have a lot of money and power, and that is because they have the highest intelligence of any ethnic group.

In any group of really intelligent people, you will have a disproportionate number of Jews.

And universities used to have caps on Jews because of that.

And it used to be that Jews were not allowed in the best law schools, the best law firms, the corporate boards, and the country clubs.

So they had to make their own success in places like Hollywood, where they were not discriminated against.

But even with this shameful history, Jews have been better treated in the United States than anywhere else in the world.

Because if you look at their 3000 years of history, Jews have suffered more than any other people.

They have been conquered, they have been exiled, they have suffered pogroms, and finally a campaign of total extermination that wiped out one third of their numbers.

And yet, despite all this, they survive and succeed. They never give up. Not ever.

So the UN gave them back the country which the Bible says belongs to them. They settled there, and the Palestinians voluntarily left.

And now they're there, and they are armed to the teeth to take on anyone who wants to take their land.

And they have the right to do that.

I believe they are the Chosen People of God, and that is why the devil is constantly after them.

And I believe that you, who hate the Jews so fervently, are an agent of the devil.

Maybe you don't realize this, but anyone who hates has to understand that hate comes from hell, in the same way that love comes from heaven.

Your hate will consume you and destroy you, but it will not destroy the Jews.

So my advice to you is to go to church, confess to a priest, and cleanse your soul of all hatred towards your fellow man.

That is all I have to say to you.

 

Deleted because dupe.

 

I agree the western colony that is israel should be wound up, it has caused no end of problems

 

Probably most Jews are indeed intelligent enough to see through the kind of positive discrimination in your post and to understand that evangelical right wing American Christians are not friends of Israel but a bunch of nutters who can't wait for the final battle of Armageddon to take place in Israel in which Jews have the ultimate choice between conversion or eternal hell.

 

It's a little late for that now. What's done is done and we ought to work with the factual world as it is. It would be just as unjust to throw young Israelis who know no other home than Israel out of there as it was unjust and a terrible crime to throw Palestinians out. These people will somehow have to learn to live peacefully side by side and to share resources in fair ways.

 

Until we get people to stop with the "My book says I get this land so F*** off" nonsense, you are never going to get peace. You can't use religious documents as land grants.

 

To pretend that haters of Israel are anything but Nazi's without nifty uniforms.

The best defense Israel has are the Nazi pigs who speak against them.

 

It really hearts you when the Jew fights back, doesn't it ?
Well, No way around that anymore.
You want to drive the Jews out, grab a weapon and try.
Buy take note, for 70 years now the 22 Arab states have tried to do so and failed.
Why do you think you will be able to ?
Do you feel lucky, punk ?

 

So then let's stop pretending that the whole of Northern Africa and larger half of the Indian Subcontinent are not occupied territory sport, occupied by the only empires in history that have not given up their territory and where the citizenry still lives under constant subjugation.

 

The question you have to ask yourself is, was that that 5 wars you started...or was it 6... well...do you punk?

 

It is not occupied territory because there were no laws in effect at the time but since then laws are in place.People claiming that a land was given to them by a made up entity are just plain stupid.

 

Don't insult the Nazis please.
They had technology.
They were organized.
They where making plans.
They knew how to execute both plans and people.
Don't confuse between them and common riffraff.

 

Sorry which law prohibits land being taken in defensive wars? Why is Germany's territory now smaller than prior than 1933? Do you really have any (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue what you're talking about whatsoever? Oh ya didn't think so.

 

You have no clue in international law, do you ?
Gaza is not occupied territory because Israel is not there.

Anyways occupy or not, you are not allowed to target civilians in any case.
Anyone who target civilian population is creating a crime against humanity according to international law.
So Hamas leaders must be brought to justice.
If the west fails to do so, rest assure Israel will.

 

1967 was not a defensive war, everyone knows that except dummies for israel. I will tell you why German territory is smaller now because the laws did not come into effect until after WW2 but you already know that fact. You also know where to find the laws and are just trying to be funny but you are not even amusing. I have more of a clue than you do kid,

 

Your whole post is bullcrap and I do not see much point of it at all. Gaza is still considered occupied btw, look it up. Any more daft crap?

 

I see the US on this list, but I don't see Scotland. Nor do I see any Arab countries, prior to 1948.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

Let's face it. It's Christian countries, including the US, that Jews have been kicked out of or kicked around in throughout history, prior to the creation of Israel. Would you claim that all these Christians throughout the ages were all ''agents of the devil''?

Do you actually believe this? Anyone who knows anything about the creation of Israel knows this isn't true.

Did you conveniently miss this?

Do you think these Christians who kicked Jews from pillar to post throughout the ages favoured ''more moderate Jews''? No, when Jews were expelled from anywhere, they were generally all expelled. Therefore by your logic, Jack is less of an ''agent of the devil'' than Christians have proved themselves to be throughout the ages. Neither can Muslims have been ''agents of the devil,'' as they looked after Jews, for example the Ottoman empire sending ships to save Jews from Ferdinand and Isabella, and giving them refuge in the middle east. It is Christians who have been ''agents of the devil'' for the vast majority of the history of Christianity. Correct?

If you were a Christian living in the middle east, you would more than likely think differently than you do. There are about as many if not more Christians living in the West Bank alone, than there are in the whole of Israel, many being thrown out of their homes to make way for Israeli settlements for Jews, and effectively living under a foreign military dictatorship. If you lived in the West Bank, would you leave your home voluntarily if a Jew told you it belonged to him?

Or how about in Israel? Do you think all Christians in Israel should give up their homes and go and live elsewhere, if any Jews should decide they want those homes?

What about the Christians in Jerusalem and Bethlehem? Would you like to see the Church of Nativity being replaced by a synagogue?

What many Christians, particularly in the US, fail to realise, is that Zionism is entirely incompatible with Christianity, based on Jesus' teachings according to the Bible. As the Bible teaches doing to do to others as you would have others do to you, and advocating that everyone else should do the same, then why do you support a state which does to others as it would not have others do to them? Jews in the West Bank take land from others, but they would not have others do that to them. Jews in the West Bank demolish the homes of others, but they would not have others do that to them. Jews take the lions share of the resources in the West Bank, but they would not have others do the same to them. And so it goes on...

Why do you support a state which prevents children from having enough clean water to drink, rather than support the children?

Do you think Jesus would have supported those who take from others, or would he have supported those who have their land, homes, resources and livelihoods, taken from them?

Dusty

 

One problem is that Israel has demonstrated it can't live beside others and treat them fairly, and it's getting more and more radical, not less. A single state run by Jews, Muslims and Christians, may well be the best long term solution. With approximately the same number of Jews and non-Jews having the vote, the radicals like Netanyahu and Leiberman would be pushed to the fringes of politics. Immigration laws could be changed to favour the actual refugees. There would be no more Zionists buying western politicians, and one small country would no longer make so much trouble for the rest of the world.

How do you deal with the religious extremists who are convinced the land belongs to them though? That's not going to be easy. If Israel/Palestine was to be made a single state tomorrow, I would think there would be at least as much bloodshed as there was in South Africa after apartheid ended. So personally I think a two state solution might be best for the short term at least, which is what a majority of Israelis and a majority of Palestinians seem to want. Once the religious nutters realise they are not going to get all the land for themselves, then perhaps they will learn to treat others equally.

Israel should take down it's segregation wall in the West Bank, rebuild it on the Israeli side of the internationally recognised 1967 borders if it wants. Allow Palestinians free passage between the West Bank and Gaza, give East Jerusalem back, remove the Gaza blockade, and hand the illegal West Bank settlements over to Palestinian refugees. That at least, would be a start.

Dusty

 

Israel is an unimportant strip of land , if you don't wanna have deals with them cut the money (they are not many anyway) supply and stop selling them weapons.
Unfortunately Israelis learn nothing from history, you can not be the top dog forever and the enemy will always hit you in a moment of weakness, creating enemies here and there is just unwise and old nations like the Israelis are not excused to act this way.

 

Time to end these threads in latest world news.
Does PF have a section "Crazed neo nazis ideas"?

 

in that matter you can end tons of other "experiments" as you would call them that caused many problems to the world, but you wont, because you are simply blinde, brain washed and forced to belive in stuff that 90% of them are not at all true.

israel caused nothing to the world that didnt happend in endless of other countires, wars are part of being a country, and since the people that you love so much initiated most of israeli wars, maybe its time to do something about that.

The reason islamic people hate jewish people so much its because the contrast between us, you are a barbaric, violent ad blood hungry religion that belives in so many bul(*)(*)(*)(*) that brough people to their dead in the past 1-2000 years, the way you have to look, the way you have to pray, your rules, the way you treat woman, all of it is pure violence that you belive is nessecery.

while jews that has their bad sides ofcurse, are much less violent, they may not agree with everything that happends, like the way woman dress today, and gay people, but they dont kill them because of that, they ignore them. they dont look to their way, but they dont kill them.

if you truly take a look at the religion you belive, and the rules you enduct and at the punishments that you gine for the one who breaks those rules, you would see that the only people in the world who are doing are you, you cause most of the death in the past few centuries, you carried out most if not all of the terror attacks againts inocent people, you are the only religion that belives that blowing yourself up in the middle of a street filles with people is a good thing to be admired.

so take a deep look into your religion or into your state or into the people(if we can still call them that) and see if you have the right to talk about us.

 

Bit harsh to say all Christians are nutters, no?

I would imagine that some of the greastest men that ever lived, may well have been Christian, pound for pound, they have probably produced more creators, brilliant writers, inventors, etc, than the Jews.

The evangelical, right wing 'Christians' - different matter.

Remember though, that the above are almost exclusive to the US.

As is 'Christian Zionism', a doctrine almost exclusively American, and inspired by the Scholfield bible.

Jews in Israel see them as 'useful idiots'. They are happy to have their support. They have tricked these Christians into the whole significance of the stolen name of Israel, and these Christians have fallen for it.

They are more use to the Jews though, than the Jews are of use to them. Why? Because the Jews exploit their material support, in the here and now.

In practice, the Jews are of no use to them, since, for all of their self delusion, their narrative is not going to be as they think.

 

Yes, but you have to offer something a bit more than 'somehow'.

For it to be practical...

 

Oh lord, it is Rabbi Bronson..