"Obey The Prophet, Even If He Tells You To Kill"

Then you haven't read (or at least understood) many parts. Here are a few examples that can pulled out quickly:

[When he went to Medina after being "hated" in Mecca before Mecca was Islam, he said:]
Any Jew who enter into this covenant shall be protected from all insults and vexations. Thy have equal rights to our own people to our assistance. The Jews of the various clans and all other non-Muslim residents of Medina shall form with the Muslims one composite people. They shall practice their religion as freely as the Muslims and their allies shall enjoy the same security and freedom. The guilty shall be pursued and punished. The Jews shall join the Muslims in defending Medina against all enemies. The allies of the Muslims and of the Jews shall be as respected.


That certainly sounds peaceful to me. Very UN.
So, quite simply, your statement that "absolutely nothing" suggests such a thing is incorrect.

Not according to "MUSLIMS"? Which? All? 1%? Some bad guys that the media portrays? That in no way means that the book applies to certain aspects of today. For example, "Finding all non-believers and killing them" IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT with what I wrote above... WHICH IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE that words were relevant to whom they were being said to, and the circumstances.

The same is true of many religious books... there are MANY MANY CONTRADICTIONS because people take them word for word and all encompassing, which is NOT POSSIBLE. This is why there are people dedicated to understanding the book and why you and I arguing on this forum is pointless as neither of us are qualified to understand even the basics of what is being said.

 

Then you haven't read (or at least understood) many parts. Here are a few examples that can pulled out quickly:

[When he went to Medina after being "hated" in Mecca before Mecca was Islam, he said:]
Any Jew who enter into this covenant shall be protected from all insults and vexations. Thy have equal rights to our own people to our assistance. The Jews of the various clans and all other non-Muslim residents of Medina shall form with the Muslims one composite people.

They shall practice their religion as freely as the Muslims and their allies shall enjoy the same security and freedom. The guilty shall be pursued and punished. The Jews shall join the Muslims in defending Medina against all enemies. The allies of the Muslims and of the Jews shall be as respected.

Worth repeating, supaskip.........

Reality is good medicine.

 

MOST MEN were "kiddy fiddlers" (yeah I know that's not what you wrote) back then.
This was normal in almost all cultures because of life expectancy etc - Note Angola TODAY has an average life expentancy of 40, other countries are below this.. EVEN TODAY they are classed as "developing countries", I can't imagine where Mecca, etc, would be on the scale back in the year 500AD.

Around 600 AD it was about 35 -WORLDWIDE-; I would not be surprised if it were about 16 on the lower end in some "developing countries" in that era.

NOTE:Of course the wealthy lived to a much older age due to better hygiene, food availability and medicines, but the expectation would be to die young.


When people mention his very young wife, they do so with todays standards and expectations of living, health, political correctness, and other aspects in mind. They rarely understand what standards/expectations would have been as a bench mark back then. Obviously she could not bear children, but there are many other duties that a wife would be expected to learn (from all cultures) from a young age.


Let's examine some other details.
12th century Catholicism - 600 years later.

Note the above was taken from WIKI, but I looked it up specifically as I remembered reading about this a long time ago [from books!!]


So whilst we may find it disturbing that marriage and possibly sex at an early age happened back then, this was not particularly strange for the time in many different cultures including Islam... so why bring it up regarding Islam at all?


-edit-
I should note that there are various sources that seem to contradict age of marriage and age or consummation.
6/9/18 etc, but I am not sure which one is truly correct.

 

Historically Muslims didn't marry until the start of the menses.. They knew the dangers.

 

Aww isn't that sweet, hmmm what happened to the Banu tribes after the false prophet's conquest of Mecca when he didn't need the Jews anymore? Oh that's right they were ethnically cleansed, slaughtered, and enslaved to the last. Now kindly (*)(*)(*)(*) off with laughable Islamic Imperialist Bull (*)(*)(*)(*) and save it for the leftists who are already sucking at the tit of of the genocidal maniac.


BATTLE PROCEDURES

It seems that the most satisfactory suggestion we have heard in this connection is that there is no objection to the use of any kind of arms against the polytheists, smothering and burning their homes, cutting down their trees and date groves, and using catapults, without, however, deliberately attacking women, children, or elderly people; that one can yet pursue those that run away, finish off the wounded, kill prisoners who might prove dangerous to the Muslims, but this is only applicable to those on the chin of whom a razor has passed, for the others are children who must not be executed.

As for the prisoners who are led before the imam, the latter has the choice of executing them or making them pay a ransom, as he pleases, opting for the most advantageous choice for the Muslims and the wisest for Islam. The ransom imposed upon them is not to consist either of gold, silver, or wares, but is only an exchange for Muslim captives.

...

For my part I say that the decision concerning prisoners is in the hands of the imam: in accordance with whatever he feels to be more to the advantage of Islam and the Muslims, he can have them executed or he can exchange them for Muslim prisoners (pp. 302-303).

Whenever the Muslims besiege an enemy stronghold, establish a treaty with the besieged who agree to surrender on certain conditions that will be decided by a delegate, and this man decides that their soldiers are to be executed and their women and children taken prisoner, this decision is lawful. This was the decision of Sa'ad b. Mu'adh in connection with the Banu Qurayza (a Jewish tribe of Arabia) (p. 311).

The decision made by the chosen arbitrator, if it does not specify the killing of the enemy fighters and the enslavement of their women and children, but establishes a poll tax, would also be lawful; if it stipulated that the vanquished were to be invited to embrace Islam, it would also be valid and they would therefore become Muslims and freemen (p. 311).

...Is it not correct that Allah has said in His Book: "Fight those ... until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled" (Koran 9:29), and that the Prophet invited the polytheists to embrace Islam, or, if they refused, to pay the poll tax, and that Umar b. al-Khattab, after having subdued the inhabitants of Sawad, did not spill their blood but made them tributaries? (p. 312).


If they offer to surrender and accept the mediation of a Muslim of their choice together with one of their number, this is to be refused, for it is unacceptable that a Believer collaborate with an infidel to arrive at a decision on religious matter. If by error, the ruler's representative accepts and a verdict is proposed by both men, the imam is not to declare it binding unless it stipulates that the enemies will be tributaries or be converted to Islam. If this condition is adopted by them, then they are reproachless and if they acknowledge that they are tributaries, then they shall be accepted as such, without there being need of a verdict (pp. 314-15).[1]

I wasn't under the impression that pedophile worshippers will still trying to suggest that new verses of the Koran didn't abrogate the older ones, but of course you may find one limp dicked dhimmi Muzzie sympathizer who doesn't know wtf he's talking about and will be the first on the block getting his throat slit or his pockets emptied. I have a name for those people it's "how do my boots taste you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing traitor?"

That would be true if you didn't actually look at the polling data and you were (*)(*)(*)(*)tarded Muslim apologist but here in reality the majority of Muslims are theocratic swine not fit for the civilized world. Let's look at Egypt for example, 99.9% of Egyptians hate Jews and want Islam to be the principal source of legislation, it is no wonder that Egypt now has a society in which Islam is the basis for all law. Why do I hate the Islamic Imperialist swine you might ask? Well it's because I hate Imperialism, theocracy, and tyranny, and anyone who tries to support, justify, or apologize for it.

 

It is sad that so many people move form hate-group to hate-group - immigrants, Jews, Communists and, now, Muslims. They so seldom know anything about the people concerned, but their hate is HUGE. It suggests that the societies they live in do not really make them entirely happy, doesn't it?

 

Some more "peaceful" ways of the false prophet Mohammad (may (*)(*)(*)(*) be upon him)

Saffiya was daughter to Huyayy ibn Akhtab and husband to Kinana ibn al-Rabi of the Banu Nadir both of which were murdered by Mohammad right before he forced her to marry him, this is well documented fact:

Ibn Ishaq:

"The Messenger of God had Kinana b. al-Rabi‘ brought to him; he was in charge of the Banu al-Nadir treasury. When asked about it, Kinana denied knowledge of its whereabouts. Then there was brought to the Messenger of God a Jew who said, ‘I saw Kinana circle around the treasure early every morning.’ The Messenger of God then said to Kinana, ‘Do you realize that I’ll kill you if we find it with you?’ ‘Yes,’ he replied. Then the Messenger of God ordered that their treasure be dug up and some of it was brought out. And so the Messenger of God ordered al-Zubayr b. al-‘Awam to go to him, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out what he has.’ Al-Zubayr then repeatedly struck fire on his chest until he was close to death. Finally, the Messenger of God pushed him over to Muhammad b. Maslama, who cut off his head in revenge for the loss of his brother, Mahmud b. Maslama." (The Life of the Prophet Muhammad, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, reviewed by Dr. Muneer Fareed [published by Garnet Publishing Limited: First Edition, reprinted 2005], Volume III, p. 268 )

Kinanah b. al-Rabi b. al-Huqyaq who had the treasure of B. Nadir was brought to the Messenger of God, who questioned him; but he denied knowing where it was. Then the messenger of God was brought a Jew who said to him, “I have seen Kinanah walk around this ruin every morning.” The Messenger of God said to Kinanah: “What do you say? If we find it in your possession, I will kill you.” “All right,” he answered. The Messenger of God commanded that the ruin should be dug up, and some of the treasure was extracted from it. Then he asked him for the rest of it. Kinanah refused to surrender it; so the Messenger of God gave orders concerning him to al-Zubayr b. al-‘Awwam, saying, “torture him until you root out what he has.” Al-Zubayr kept twirling his firestick in his breast until Kinanah almost expired; then the Messenger of God gave him to Muhammad b. Maslamah, who beheaded him to avenge his brother Mahmud b. Maslamah.”
Tabari vol. 8, p.123

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

The Prophet fought with the people of Khaybar, and captured their palm-trees and land, and forced them to remain confined to their fortresses. So they concluded a treaty of peace providing that gold, silver and weapons would go to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and whatever they took away on their camels would belong to them, on condition that they would not hide and carry away anything. If they did (so), there would be no protection for them and no treaty (with Muslims).

They carried away a purse of Huyayy ibn Akhtab who was killed before (the battle of) Khaybar. He took away the ornaments of Banu an-Nadir when they were expelled.

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) asked Sa'yah: Where is the purse of Huyayy ibn Akhtab?

He replied: The contents of this purse were spent on battles and other expenses. (Later on) they found the purse. So he killed Ibn AbulHuqayq, captured their women and children, and intended to deport them. They said: Muhammad, leave us to work on this land; we shall have half (of the produce) as you wish, and you will have half. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to make a contribution of eighty wasqs of dates and twenty wasqs of wheat to each of his wives. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 3000)


The genocide of the Banu from Ibn Ishaq:

"Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them. Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, 'By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken.' Then he went to the men and said, 'God's command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel.' Then he sat down and his head was struck off."

 

You'll learn to ignore the igorant; they are simply not worth the time.

 

I know, why should people not hate people who follow an ideology every bit as evil as Nazism invented by a genocidal kiddy (*)(*)(*)(*)er.

 

All Muslims are inhuman savage murdering baby rapists and should **** of the west while they still have the legs to carry them or join their false pedophile false prophet in hell sooner than later.

 

your posts show what israelis are really like.

 

Which parts of the bible were used to justify the crusades?

 

I'm not Israeli go back to posting conspiracy theories it's all you people are good at.

 

That's an israelis

Think of what the locals have had to deal with.

 

oh really?

So before you used to claim israel, now you dont?

i dont do conspiracy.

You claim mujamad and all the uslims are bad

That makes me think your nuts in the head

I could see you denying israel as a homeland.

It's a sh't hole

 

They have had to deal with the Talibanization of Gaza under which the Christians have been completely ethnically cleansed.

 

that is BS about ethnically cleansing in gaza

They are the uprooted refugees of the sissies of israel, taking the lands, from their births from underneath them.

nothing religious about it. The pigs think god gave them israel and the locals have been living under occupation, since.

you actually like the pigs

and then call the locals all kinds of names, their religion and everything about them, simply because you believe the zionist f'cks have a right to israel, by 'god' (allah if you like)

That's oppression!

and you and I have already come to terms, that i hate what you do upon this very existence of nature (god).

screw muhamad, moses, the hamas, bibi, and any idiot you think worship is for, if you support the oppression of human beings for a religious belief, YoU Are my enemy!

 

LOL.

Comedy gold.

 

There are words to describe grubby, disgusting little hate-filled worms who post the sort of crap that you do so effortlessly. Can you think of one?

 

Glad you think that overt oppression of non-Muslims, women, and gays is funny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Gaza_Strip

 

There are words to describe pedophile worshiping murder monkeys, they're called Muslims.

 

Since when did you grow a soft side.

 

Okay, I'm all done here.

 

As for most Madrassas educated folks you don't know a thing.Effects on Christian population

In 2007, about 3,000 Gazans were Christian, out of the total population of 1.5 million.[33] In 2011 The Christian population of Gaza Strip was less than 1,400. Attacks on Christians and their property are rare,[34] with the notable exception of those on The Teacher's Bookshop (see below). A member of the Catholic faith told The Guardian he was stopped by a Hamas official and told to remove a wooden crucifix he was wearing.[35]
The Islamization of Gaza has put increasing pressure on the tiny Christian minority.[36] Following the Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007, Abu Saqer, leader of Jihadia Salafiya, a rival group to Hamas,[37] announced the opening of a "military wing" to enforce Muslim law in Gaza. "I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza." [38] Sheik Saqer has asserted that there is "no need" for Christians in Gaza to maintain Christian institutions and demanded that Hamas "must work to impose an Islamic rule or it will lose the authority it has and the will of the people."[39]
In October 2007, Rami Khader Ayyad, the owner of Gaza's only Christian bookstore, was abducted, beaten and murdered, after his bookstore was firebombed by an unidentified group attacking targets associated with Western influence. According to Ayyad's family and neighbors, he had regularly received anonymous death threats from people angered by his missionary work. Ismail Haniyeh, leader of Hamas in Gaza, condemned Ayyad's killing and said Hamas "would not allow anyone to sabotage Muslim-Christian relations." Hamas officials made visits to Christian community, and its spokesman promised to bring those responsible to justice. No group claimed responsibility for the murder.[33][40][41][42]
Ayyad's funeral was attended by 300 Muslims and Christians. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights stated "This ugly act has no support by any religious group here."[34]
In 2012, a public protest was organized by dozens of Christians who claimed that two Christians were forcibly converted to Islam and were being held against their will. According to two mediators, the two Christians embraced Islam of their own free will. The conversions have the minority Christian population worried, and Huda Al-Amash, the mother of one of the converts, Ramez, stated, "If things remain like this, there'll be no Christians left in Gaza." Gaza's Archbishop Alexious said that the converts should be returned to their families.[43][44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Gaza_Strip

No go celebrate your pedophile murder monkeys Imperialism and ethnic cleansing.

 

Awww what's the matter? Don't have any way to blame the slaughter of Christians at the hands of the Islamic Imperialist swine on Jews?