"Obey The Prophet, Even If He Tells You To Kill"

You really need to grow up sonny. I'm done debating with immature wankers and their Fisher-Price 'intellect'.

 

I don't debate with Nazi pigs and Islamic Imperialist pedophile worshipers I just insult them as the murdering swine that they are.

 

SS, notice how the more subtle one's, you know those that are Zionist apologist, but are more passive aggressive with it, notice how they are the moral police if anyone mentions the J word, and yet, they go blind as bats when the filth I read here, is written.

It is not even true opinion, just swearing and filth.

But all the usual hand wringers remain silent over such, focusing ONLY on criticism of those that shine a light on Israel and Jews.

 

Nobody gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) what Nazi pigs and pedophile worshipers have to say about anything Jackie boy.

 

I find the article very newsworthy since it reveals the Muslim concept of 'taqiyya', which gives allowance for deception to non Muslims.

That the teachings of Mohamed were only for a certain time and place, proves he could not have been enlightened and guided by our God of creation. Everything said by Jesus, (God's Word), and our prophets (saints), relate to all times and all places, since God can never alter Himself and what He is.

As for the sins of clerics, Christians believe all people are sinners. It's unfortunate that these clerics fell so far from Grace and managed to hurt others as well as the Church in the process. But Christians are supposed to pray for priests so that they won't succomb to evil. :

 

I think you have a false concept of taqiyya, Jeanette.. The Nazis accused the German Jews of the same thing.

 

You try to make anti-semitism seem humanist....LOL ha ha ha ha ha

 

The Doctor is reaching a new level of maturity: too bad the level is in the downward direction. Much more of this kind of post and he'll be getting kicked out of kindergarden for immature behavior.

 

So the Muslims have incitements to genocide and paedophilia? What about the following:

In Ethannan, Ekev and Shoftim there are unambiguous divine instructions to wipe out all the Canaanites[1] – men, women and children. The operative verses are -

Deuteronomy, chapter 7

1: "When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gir'ga(*)(*)(*)(*)es, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves,
2: and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.
3: You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons.
4: For they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly.
5: But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Ashe'rim, and burn their graven images with fire.
6: "For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
16: And you shall destroy all the peoples that the LORD your God will give over to you, your eye shall not pity them; neither shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you.
Deuteronomy, chapter 20

16: But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes,
17: but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Per'izzites, the Hivites and the Jeb'usites, as the LORD your God has commanded;
18: that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the LORD your God.
Also relevant is the following from Joshua, chapter 11

10: And Joshua turned back at that time, and took Hazor, and smote its king with the sword; for Hazor formerly was the head of all those kingdoms.
11: And they put to the sword all who were in it, utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed, and he burned Hazor with fire.
12: And all the cities of those kings, and all their kings, Joshua took, and smote them with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them, as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.
13: But none of the cities that stood on mounds did Israel burn, except Hazor only; that Joshua burned.
14: And all the spoil of these cities and the cattle, the people of Israel took for their booty; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave any that breathed.



Given the importance of this issue in the post-Holocaust period, it's amazing Etz Hayim didn't deal with it seriously and at length. Regrettably the treatment in Etz Hayim is inferior even to that in the old, pre-Holocaust, Hertz Humash. This is astonishing as its prime source for Deuteronomy - the JTS Commentary by Tigai - has a whole excursus (pp. 470-472) on the subject.

THAT'S THE TORAH INCITING THE JEWS TO GENOCIDE IN THE HOLY LAND. WHAT ABOUT PAEDOPHILIA?

Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]
R. Nahman bar Isaac said. "They made the decree that a gentile child should be deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15], so that an Israelite child should not hang around with him and commit pederasty [as he does]."
For said R. Zira, "I had much anguish with R. Assi, and R. Assi with R. Yohanan, and R. Yohanan with R. Yannai, and R. Yannai with R. Nathan b. Amram, and R. Nathan b. Amram with Rabbi [on this matter]: 'From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]'? And he said to me, 'On the day on which he is born.' But when I came to R. Hiyya, he said to me, 'From the age of nine years and one day.' And when I came and laid the matter before Rabbi, he said to me, 'Discard my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya, who declared, "From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]? From the age of nine years and one day."'
[37A] Since he is then suitable for having sexual relations, he also is deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [of Lev.15]."
Said Rabina, "Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety."
That is self-evident!
Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]


The basis for these rulings is the following Mishnaic passage of Tractate Niddah (filth):


A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."
And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility.
If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.
(Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

To give the devil his due, this has not been the practice of Jews nor has this been preached. There is the example of multiple medieval Ashkenazi communities which practice marrying off their girl children and 12 and 1/2 so as to ensure they would have at least one Jewish child. That's a little older than Aisha was but the intent to get a young girl pregnant may be more repulsive than just marrying one.

 

He is an embarassment to any group he may want to attach himself to, not that any group would want to be associated with him. But he cannot see it which is just as sad.

 

Oh..lol...lol..titter titter...you DON'T make Israel and Zionism sound humane.

Titter...pitter...tee hee etc

 

Dunno. Silence is complicity...

 

Irrelevant. You said:

I cited one reference that makes your statement incorrect.
If there was "absolutely nothing", then I wouldn't have been able to find that information.

Keep trying to troll though, it made my morning.

 

Not for the "Latest world news" section, and besides the OP would apply to any religion. Do as God says, even if to kill. A good written example is when Abraham was told to sacrifice his son. He was willing to go through with it; he was willing to do as God said even if to kill. There is no NEW news here; it's more archive-worthy.

I would argue that God can in fact ALWAYS alter Himself, that is the nature of God. That he can talk through prophets or other symbolism (burning bushes for that matter) would give me ammunition to that side of the debate. In fact to say that God can't alter Himself would make him akin to Human. If certain teachings, from any religious book, are set in stone as always, then contradictions negate each and every verse. For one argument that there was killing to be done there is one that peace should be made. You cannot have both at exactly the same time. Whilst certain teaching, especially in regards to morality, charity, etc., should stay with us forever as guidance... other actions may only be relevant for the time, such as when there was a war between two peoples; wars do not last forever.

Besides, as I have said, there are still scholars trying to figure out many aspects of all teachings. I don't have the correct answer, and neither do you... but I do like debating these issues (especially with you who can articulate correctly, rather than lowering to profanity like others, when they don't get their way) in a way to broaden my mind and educate myself on other peoples' point of view.

Well, I suppose that all originates from "original sin".


Incidentally, I'm agnostic I suppose. From that viewpoint, I would suggest that these books are certainly written to capture the will of the people at the time of their writing. As I wouldn't suggest that the word of God, whatever he is, if he exists, and if he is even in a form that we can comprehend that CAN communicate, would be put in a book like this... but each to their own.

 

I personally dont like islam as a religion but you show me, why so many hate jews!

 

that poster is a perfect example of what people hate of humanity

 

so you're a gay women that dont do muslims?

 

Yeah, and we've all seen how far praying to the sky-fairy gets you...absolutely bloody nowhere.

 

Evidently you do sonny, given the reams of out of context Qu'ranic quotes you're so fond of posting. You're an embarrassment.

 

I don't hate humanity.

I just have utter contempt for some of it, the fakers and the apologists for ANYTHING a foreign state and Jews do.

 

Can you hate an entire ethnic group based on the statements of one poster on the net who des not even claim to be a member of that group? Perhaps the hate already existed.

 

More bigotry, forgetting that you claim to be against zionism and not jews per se. Oops. Very humanist. Do some more light shining there, Jack.

 

You have a strange idea of 'bigotry'.

Are you a 'bigot' against sex offenders? I am. Why? For their actions.

 

Silly.. its all about Israel.. government policies.. not religion.

 

Indeed, but apparently you cannot say Jews, even if they call it the Jewish homeland.

Perhaps we should say Hindu's.