Pot laws - Obama declares war on Colorado and Wash State

I'm not saying the right doesn't love to tell people what to do. They both do. They just pick different issues to champion. Hell, half the country smokes pot by even federal estimates, there has to be red states in there.

 

This is my take, also.

 

You may not understand civil asset forfeiture laws, but you should read into it further and see what our government is doing to its people. We're not just talking cash. They seize houses, cars, boats, planes, and anything else of value and then sell it at a profit. What makes it disturbing is the way the law is written. The actual owner of the assets is considered a 3rd party claimant and has to prove in court that the seizure was unjustified in a perverse "guilty until proven innocent" system. Any such effort to repatriate seized assets and the feds simply delay court proceedings, dragging them out over a decade. They shop for favorable judges and press repeatedly to have your case dismissed. The whole thing is wrought with corruption and injustice and is a flagrant perversion of our 5th Ammendment rights to not be deprived of property without due process. It really is scary the power our government has.

 

Rednecks like weed, too! But the people elected by the right tend to be older, conservative, stick in the mud, religious right leaning white dudes. They will not vote to legalize the devil weed. And trust me, my comments were not some blanket proclamation of the left's greatness. It is just that, as a group, the left tends to be far more comfortable with things like drug legalization. They are a pain in the ass on othet thing, of course.

 

Incorrect. Read what I just posted. Seizures aren't tied up in court unless there's a challenge and there often isn't. And you're very wrong about it not being lucrative. The DEA and other agencies fund entire departments of their agency completely with asset forfeiture gains.

 

obama has declared war on the entire country, not just the pot states. He is determined to become a dictator so he does not have to deal with mundane things like getting congressional approval before doing something.

Worst president ever--------BHO

 

I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle trying to educate people about civil asset forfeiture. There is so much disinformation out there.

 

I am well aware of that!

That is what I said, although your post was far more eloquent. It's scary.

 

States are already voting to nullify obamacare and no question the Supremacy Clause of the constitution gives them the authority to do such. This is a great development.

 

Pot legalization is coming but not for the reasons your puny mind thinks. The auto industry loves stoned drivers since car crashes mean car sales, and they are handing out huge bribes to make pot legal. The war on drunk driving has really cost them.

 

They are predictions of what Obama and the Feds will do, so you can't really back them up. Either it will happen or it won't. I tend to agree with the author that Obama and the Feds will pursue Gestapo-like tactics in order to maintain Federal-corporate hegemony over the people.

 

Has Obama actually done anything yet?
No.
We will have to wait and see. The only thing he can really do is seek an injunction against the states in the federal courts. That will trigger a states rights suit that will be up to the Supreme Court to decide.

I believe that the federal government has never actually outlawed possession of marijuana directly except on federal property, where it is a misdemeanor subject to a small fine. There is a law from the 1930s that requires a federal tax stamp for marijuana but the government does not sell them. A huge, huge can of worms will be opened when this goes to court.

If Obama was smart he would dust off the old marijuana tax stamp law and get the federal government some revenue.

 

Is everyone ignorant on how this works? (*)(*)(*)(*), people, get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing education. (oh, wait, I'm talking to potheads) Obama doesn't have to get an injunction, all he has to do is continue federal raids of marijuana distributors, raids that always hold up in court because federal law trumps state law. There is no conflict, just a bunch of drug dealers in jail screaming about how unfair it all is.

 

It still takes a jury to convict them and just like during prohibition there will be places where federal prosecutors find a jury conviction impossible to get no matter what the law says and no matter how much evidence they have. All those states have to do is instruct their citizens that their duty as jurors in a trial is not just to decide the guilt or innocence of the defendant according to the law but to also decide whether the law itself is a reasonable application of justice as they see it. The people decide the law through trial by jury, which is the last backstop against bad law.

 

Holy crap, are you really that ignorant? The feds don't even have to charge a defendent with a crime to seize their property. That's right. They can perform a raid, arrest everyone involved, and then let release the people they arrested and refuse to prosecute. Either way, they get the property because (and get this through your thick skull) THERE IS NO TRIAL to seize property. The laws are written in such way that they can take your property without due process of law in violation of your 5th Ammendment rights. Quite often the feds will not prosecute because an acquital can be used as evidence to overturn an asset seizure. In any event, it's up to the property owner, which the court considers a 3rd party claimant, to prove that the seizure was unjustified.

You have got to quite pretending you have a FREAKIN CLUE how this law works because you don't. You need to hit the books and study up on this because our government has become drunk on the power to take anything they want from citizens at any time. And they get away with it because the public is largely unaware, ignoramuses like you.

 

Didn't read the article but good...who needs a bunch of burnt out pothead leftover sixties refugees anyway? I wish they'd sniff glue instead and go away sooner.

 

I have a feeling that the Federal government will be cautious but one day intervene just a little too much in Colorado/Washington's cannabis laws, and there'll be a large public campaign against them as a result - and they'll back down. This could thus end up being a massive victory for states' rights.

 

I think your optimism is going break apart like Ikea furniture when you come to understand how much power the feds really have. They'll ignore your protestation, ratchet up the raids, seize your money and your property, and continue to fund their bloated agencies.

And they'll do it with a smile.

 

I'm hoping the same thing. Make the feds show constitutional justification for their takeover of america. I'm sick of hearing how federal policy must be accepted as long as the federal supreme court says so. You can't let feds monitor feds and let it go at that.

States are nullifying obamacare too and others have refused to comply with the Real ID Act.