United States bent on eventual destruction of Russia

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  1. Jack Napier

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    When the US threatened to move a missile defense system into Poland, Russia countered by threatening to move by preparing to deploy the Iskander missile system in Kalingrad, a Russian enclave along the Baltic.


    The Iskander, a very unusual missile with an equally unusual mission will prove a very sticky adversary and, as it seems, Russia is beginning to show itself as having adversaries.

    All intelligence is based on testing a working hypothesis, much as with any research. In this case, the political hypothesis is that, not only Israel but key groups that represent divisions within the US are, in fact, Bolsheviks.

    An examination of a real history of the Cold War, not the one sold to small children and TV addicts, shows Israel to be, not just a member of the Eastern Bloc, but more “communist” than Cuba or East Germany, in fact much more like North Korea than any would imagine.

    Thus, when Israel supplied North Korea with a working nuclear weapon in 2009, one of a small stockpile left over from their proliferation adventure during the 70’s and 80’s in partnership with South Africa, we saw this as a “confirmation.”

    The Pollard spy incident, all transferred from Israel to Russia, all NATO battle plans, the CIA NOC (Non-Official Cover) agent list and enough dirt to blackmail half of Washington was the biggest intelligence coup of all time.


    The key has been to get Americans who support Israel, Americans who outwardly make patriotic noises and talk of conservative values, Americans who, when more closely examined, serve an unseen international regime, secretive, totalitarian and ruthless, we see the old Comintern in action and AIPAC, the Hagee/Murdoch/ADL and GOP gang as front groups for what was, at one time, a very real communist conspiracy to take over the world.

    One thing stands in their way, oddly enough, that one thing is Putin’s Russia. The move, the plan, is to draw Russia into a war, humiliate her over Syria, place missiles in Turkey, buy Azerbaijan and consolidate gains in Egypt and elsewhere through the “CIA friendly” Muslim Brotherhood.

    One might note that, this week, despite “threats” against Israel, Egypt began receiving early delivery of advanced F 16 fighters capable of representing a real threat to Israel if Morsi’s “tough talk” over Gaza were taken seriously.


    While Russia is being flanked with a missile defense system in Turkey, while Russia loses their base in Syria, clearly a plan being pushed forward to isolate Russia, while Egypt is receiving advanced American arms, while Azerbaijan is pushing out the last Russian radar facility, all at the bidding of Israel and the US, tons of heroin pour from Afghanistan, into Russia, tearing that nation apart with a holocaust of addiction.

    Simultaneously, the US is exporting refined fuels, gasoline and diesel, at cut-rate prices, isolating Russia from her commercial export base while Americans are being lied to.

    American consumers are subsiding cheap exports of fuel by paying high prices, not just for gasoline and diesel but everything else as well.

    The United States reached energy independence several years ago and is currently one of the biggest exporters of fuels in the world. The US will soon be exporting crude oil as well.

    The US is also exporting cut rate LPG and LNG (Liquid Petroleum and Natural Gas) to the Far East at well below market prices. None of this is told to the public.

    Russia’s economy is, largely, dependent on, not only the export of crude oil and refined fuels but has become extremely dependent on income from natural gas exports through Gazprom.

    Not only is the US attacking Russia’s markets but the US also threatens to control competing pipelines, both into Europe and Pakistan/China, pipelines dependent, not just on a continued presence in Afghanistan but political changes in Iran as well.

    Controlling Iran is vital to controlling oil and gas pipelines and supplies.

    In the process, the Persian Gulf States and Saudi Arabia are not going to fit well into long-term plans. With that, certain “negative consequences” become more likely each day.

    Add to this, control of Tunisia, Libya, the upcoming war in Mali and control of Southern Sudan and the new oil discoveries in and off Cameroon, and it will all start fitting together very well.

    The only answer, the only way of pushing the program forward, however, is a nuclear war.

    Russia has to be isolated, cornered, humiliated and eventually destroyed, Russia and one hundred million Americans that are likely to die in the process.

    In the short term, Putin’s “tool of choice,” for flanking this prospect is the Iskander missile. This is a very unique weapon that renders America’s missile defense systems, systems that are deployed as part of an aggressive plan, virtually useless.

    The Iskander was developed in the late 1990's, a highly mobile short rate missile that very simply cannot be shot down.

    The Iskander carries bunker buster warheads for deeply buried defense systems, EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) munitions to disabled defense systems and communications and other options, runway denial, fuel-air munitions for troop concentrations.

    The Iskander is extremely capable, a “game changer,” and, best of all, it is a weapon system Russia can give, at will, to any ally, Syria, Iran or deploy where it pleases.

    Russia has hundreds, perhaps even thousands of these systems, fully deployed for the past two years.

    At this critical time, this one system, may be all that stands between the world moving toward what now appears to be a carefully coordinated nuclear war, one planned in and by Israel but requiring critical American missteps, taking advantage of blackmail, greed, weakness and a massive espionage system within the US, an “Insider Threat” as President Obama termed it in his November 21, 2012 memo.

    There is now no way anyone can guess who is running the United States, military units are showing an “uncertainty of command,” state governments are trying to secede and some, like Michigan, have passed totalitarian edits that have no other purpose than to generate an upheaval of internal resistance and bloodshed.

    The keystone of the Israeli plan or the “Project for a New American Century” plan, which is, in actuality Israeli as most of those at that institution are, in fact, Israeli citizens, is for Israel to move underground, to threaten both Europe and the United States with highly advanced nuclear ballistic systems while being able to secure key political leaders.


    To achieve this, Israel is quickly securing its nuclear arsenal and building, with US resources, bio-weapons labs and space for tens of thousands to move underground, hundreds of thousands of square feet of “nuclear weapons proof” super-bunkers.

    To drive Russia to extremes, a wide plan of deploying a missile barrier leaving Russia virtually defenseless is necessary. We are seeing that plan in action, Turkey, the Iron Dome, Azerbaijan and other moves less public and much less seen.

    Countering is the Iskander, a missile capable of 600 km range, a missile capable of changing direction in path, avoiding interceptors and wiping out missile defense systems while not subject to any possible military response.

    The Iskander is impervious to attack.

    As the launch system can be moved in seconds and the missile guided by satellite, AWAC, UAV or through an electro-optical self-guidance system, it cannot be defended against.

    It can’t be hacked, it can’t be diverted and it hits hard, a weapon capable of destroying any hardened facility and so fast that it could never be defeated, not without upgrading missile defense systems to use energy weapons capable of light speed, something years away.

    What Russia has done is replace America’s Air Force with a missile that does it all, flies a flat trajectory, maneuvers to avoid interception and can destroy any target a stealth aircraft could.

    More importantly, it can do so without nuclear escalation, without pilots being put on trial, without killing huge numbers of civilians.


    What Russia has done is make America’s bases throughout the Middle East useless, America’s deployment of missile systems in Turkey useless and American and Israel inroads into Azerbaijan a foolish adventure.

    What we can hope for is that the intended war does not come.

    What we hope is that Israel and their allies in the US, whether the known government or rogue elements, see what we see.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/12/277642/us-bent-on-waging-nuclear-war-on-russia/


    He is right in one respect, imo. Israel are often (and sometimes by me), likened to 'Nazi Germany'. And there are some National Socialist influences there. However, I have always viewed Israel as heavily influenced by communism.
     
  2. Taxcutter

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    Russia's biggest real enemy is itself.

    The US need only get out of the way and Russia will go the way of the USSR.
     
  3. skeptic-f

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    The United States doesn't want to destroy Russia; it just doesn't want a resurgence of the USSR or of the Russian Empire. There is a lot of difference between containment and aggression. Whether this is a good idea when America's main strategic concerns lie elsewhere is another matter. We need to make true friends out of Russia or China or both, and to this point we are failing miserably in achieving that goal.
     
  4. Jack Napier

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    Check this, Skep;

    Putin outraged at US justifying murders of Russian children


    The Russian President says he is outraged at American authorities’ “justificatory” reaction to deaths of children adopted from Russia.

    “We are indignant not so much at these tragedies – even though it’s the worst thing that can happen – as at the reaction of the [US] government, a vindicatory reaction. That’s what bad,” Vladimir Putin said on Thursday.

    American judicial authorities hardly respond to cases of abuse of Russian children by their American adoptive parents, the Russian President stated. On the contrary, US courts justify such crimes and acquit those guilty of charges against them, Putin added.

    Moscow has repeatedly criticized the US for applying “double standards” in dealing with Russian child abuse cases.

    Russian officials claim that at least 19 Russian children have been killed by their foster parents in the US since the early 1990s, when adoption began.

    In 2010, adoptions between Russia and the US were temporarily frozen. The last straw became when an American adoptive mother put her 7-year-old son back on a plane to Russia saying he was no longer wanted.

    Earlier this month, Russian lawmakers suggested preparing a list of Americans who have violated the rights of Russian children adopted into US families. They said they will name their law after Dima Yakovlev – a two-year-old boy who died after being locked in a car by his adoptive father on a hot day in 2008.

    “State Duma deputies and regional lawmakers were right for drawing attention to these events,” Putin said at a meeting with the Lawmakers Council on Thursday. “I say it again, we haven’t provoked this situation,” he added, commenting on the planned Dima Yakovlev list.

    The move comes in response to US list of sanctions, the so-called Magnitsky list. On December 6, American senators backed a bill that imposes visa bans and asset freezes on Russian officials allegedly involved in the death of Russian anti-corruption lawyer Sergey Magnitsky and in other human rights abuses in the country. The 37-year-old died in a Moscow pre-trial detention center in November 2009.

    Moscow called the move “unfriendly.”

    “We should certainly react [to the bill] appropriately,” Vladimir Putin said, welcoming the State Duma’s initiative regarding the sanctions list against US nationals. “We should make sure that our decisions are adequate, but not exorbitant,” he underlined.

    The Russian President believes that the American Magnitsky law is most likely theresult of internal political intrigue in the US.

    “But I don’t understand why Russian-US relations are sacrificed for the sake of domestic policies,” Putin observed. Washington speaks about the ‘reset’ and, at the same time, aggravates the situation, he added.

    As for the death of Magnitsky, Putin expressed his regret for the tragedy. He noted though, that the investigation into the case is still not over and it is yet to be found out who to be blamed for the accident.

    The President noted that people die in American prisons as well. “Perhaps, even more than in ours,” he said.

    Despite promises by the US leadership, the Guantanamo Bay detention camp is still operating.

    “People are kept there without trial – in shackles and chains just like in the Middle Ages,” Putin observed.And now, he pointed out, persons “who opened secret prisons and legalized tortures during investigations” point Russia to its shortcomings.

    It is expected that US President Barack Obama will sign the Magnitsky Act by the end of the week.

    http://rt.com/politics/putin-magnitsky-law-rights-975/
     
  5. The Doctor

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    lmfao, and once again your source for this assertion is presstv which is nothing than an Iranian state owned propaganda mill, no actual economist on the planet would agree with this blatant lie especially considering that Israel has such a huge portion of their economy based in venture capitalism, how very "Bolshevik" of them, :roll:
     
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    Russia used to be a lot like Saudi Arabia but with some old nukes.

    Now they are like Saudi Arabia but with much less profitable oil and gas and the nukes haven't been tested in two decades.

    Other than oil Russia makes nothing anybody wants to pay for.

    Russia's own people have given up on it and their fertility rate is dropping like an anvil.

    But Putin entertains the fantasy of being a latter-day Stalin.
     
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    Do I care what you like and do not like? Have a wild punt. Any media which you don't like should be a winning testimonial in itself.
     
  8. AmericanExceptionalism

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    Geopolitically, the United States has always feared Eurasian Alliances that could threaten to become a Super Power. The EU was established to create a connection between Germany and the rest of Europe. The age-old fear is a Union of Russia & Germany. Germany has the high tech manufacturing & Russia is bestowed with the natural resources.

    Germany is the largest beneficiary of the European Union. Sure they'll be forced to bailout the Southern European countries often, but the Union allows their currency to be devalued relative to the U.S. Dollar & other global currencies. This is tremendously beneficial for their manufacturing base. If Germany had to return to the Deutshe mark, who would buy a Mercedes for 40% more- Is a Mercedes C Class worth $ 55,000?

    The EU has its major faults, but it keeps Germany in the Western European camp and serves as a mitigator to possible war between France & Germany. The U.S. does not want to destroy Russia, it wants to limit its scope of interest.

    People overemphasize the geopolitical interests of Russia. The most strategically important countries to Russia are Belarus & the Ukraine. They will work to form diplomatic relations with these countries and the U.S. should thus limit Russia's ability to expand influence into the Caucus & continue to let Moscow know Poland is part of Western Europe.

    My family is from Hungary and I can tell you that the United States has truly never cared about Eastern Europe. It's a land of little strategic importance. For Russia, it's critically important and thus they'll continue to influence these countries.
     
  9. Ivan88

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    We know even more so that The Doctor is nothing but a propaganda shill for the glorious state of Talmudism.
    This is the kind of guy that The Doctor likes:
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    Thanks Jack for the Iskander data. And, the author is correct, the Talmudists in control of America very much want to destroy Russia.
    They weren't satisfied with the millions they killed in their Communist revolutions.
    They weren't satisfied with the millions they killed through their WW2 passion play;
    They weren't satisfied that there was no nuclear war between America and Russia;
    And, they were not satisfied that President Putin saved Russia instead of helping it into oblivion as they had planned.

    Furthermore they staged a large tragedy in Yugoslavia to trap Russia into a war with HATO, but it failed due to Russian refusal to participate, and by a certain British Officer who refused to attack a Russian contingent at a Yugoslav airport.

    So, now they hope to overthrow Russia by the same strategy they used on Yugoslavia, Libya, and now Syria. If the Russians let Syria fall to the Talmudic "Muslim" terrorists, it will take a miracle to save Russia, not to mention Europe and America going down under the Muslim Brotherhood plan.
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    This part needs to be emphasized for brain dead so called Americans:
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    and face along China? i dont think that uncale Sam that stupid
     
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    Russians are crazy if they believe the kind of nonsense posted in the OP.
     
  13. Taxcutter

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    “Geopolitically, the United States has always feared Eurasian Alliances…”

    Taxcutter says:
    Mostly agree. Since the US mostly dominates its own continent, it foreign policy outlook has always been (like the British) maritime. Since the US is safe behind its moats as long as the Navy is dominant, it can affect nations along their littorals. A Eurasian alliance is perforce continental and hard for the US to do much about. Even a cesspool like Afghanistan is problematic.



    “ the US is exporting refined fuels, gasoline and diesel, at cut-rate prices, isolating Russia from her commercial export base…”

    Taxcutter says:
    Europe and East Asia are Johnny-come-lately markets for Russian oil. In any market, price matters. Russian oil and gas are extremely expensive to produce, hence have a cost disadvantage. The Russians try to bully themselves some pricing power.



    “The US is also exporting cut rate LPG and LNG (Liquid Petroleum and Natural Gas) to the Far East…”

    Taxcutter says:
    This is no doubt a surprise to the US oil and gas industry. Neither Alaskan nor California oil fields produce much in the way of natural gas.
    Prudhoe Bay uses every cubic foot separated from the oil to provide its own energy and still has to ship in hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel oil for their own energy needs. The Alaskan pipeline is oil only and has no compressor stations along its route. There is thought to be quite a bit of gas in the shale under Alaska. Alaskans are talking about building another Alaska pipeleine, but nobody has even submitted any of the permit applications the government demands for pipelines and export terminals.

    There are two LNG import terminals on Mexico’s Pacific coast but none for export of LNG.

    There are permits pending for LNG export terminals on the US Gulf coast. Deepwater wells in the Gulf area tend to be very gassy. Currently LNG tankers cannot transit the Panama Canal. Exports from the US Gulf Coast to East Asai would be very expensive and not competitive with shipments from the Persian Gulf to East Asia.
     

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