Would you support torture in certain situations in prison

sometimes the inmates have no victims, sometimes they are the victims...

http://www.forejustice.org/wc/ray_krone_JD_vol2_i9.htm

 

The US has the oldest 'children' in the World. You can't do a whole bunch of things until you are 21, least not legally.

You can join the military though, and either die for a foreign state, or survive, but when you come out, be a wreck and be dumped. (25% of US homeless are veterans).

 

No one here is suggesting doing anything to innocent people, where did you get that from? surely an accusation is enough? gosh. But yes, rapists should be castrated and they should not be allowed to live near children, and there should be a public list so people will know whom their new nieghbor really is. and kill them if their crime was bad enough.

And that would depend on what the perpetrator himself did. If he used a nine tails on somebody I guess it would be reasonable to use it on him.

 

Not as effective as you think.

 

Personally I blame the TV series "24" you have no idea how many times the script for that series was used as an excuse for what was happening at Guantanamo

 

Well, see that is the problem isn't it? Ensuring that the people you are torturing actually ARE innocent. How about the rapist who is charged because he and she were drunk and she sort of remembers saying no while he cannot remember a thing? Does he deserve castration? And there are incidents where chemical castration was tried on pedophiles without success because it is not always about the sex but about CONTROL

 

I don't watch tv.

Tell me.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_reaction_to_24

http://thinkprogress.org/default/2007/02/13/10296/torture-on-24/

http://www.aspeers.com/2010/nissel

Although the memory is fading in the collective American consciousness it still resonates in threads like these - where you have an astounding 8:40 ratio of people pro torture. You would think I am happy that it is only 8 but I do believe that had that series NOT been shown the ratio would have been even lower.

Unfortunately reality and TV are driving a lot of misconceptions - i.e. the belief you can be hit on the head and knocked out but come to later with no neurological deficit/ongoing nausea/double vision etc - the belief that bullets leave nice little "sexy scar" worthy holes in people - holes that can be patched easily in time for the leading lady to ooh and ahhh! And of course the belief that torture is just an inconvenience and has no lasting effect

 

Interesting.

I often wonder, and I do not consider it outlandish if you think of the history of propaganda, I actually wonder if some films and shows are almost like a blueprint of ideas/plans, that are being considered/thought about, for some future action, or to test how we would react to a given narrative, of a give real life story, told a certain way.

I know that Holyood directors get free access to military hardware, and even soldiers act as extra's, IF their storyline has a pro US military feel, and a moral attached to it, that is designed to trigger a certain response from the viewer.

And I know that the US state machine has long experminted, as discussed, with social conditioning, via genuine and proven methods.

Therefore, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that as well as what I mentioned, they often fund or give assistance to a director, prepared to build his film around a given future concept, that they have in mind.

 

ehhh im a bit hesitant on "rape"

it really depends....for true rape, yes im for it

for something like this? no thats not rape

 

why would anyone be punished for being accused??? that came outta left field

 

I wondered if there were not even more sinister than that - the show was hosted by Fox owned by Murdoch and Murdoch has always had a close relation with the republican party and at the time when 24 first went to air there was a vested interest in keeping the American public scared about terrorism and accepting of the Bush regime's actions

 

Well the people of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib were not convicted felons

Look at the history of torture - it was more commonly done on those accused of crime than those convicted of crime

 

Well most on here would likely not even give what you are saying any consideration, at all, which I personally always find a somewhat arrogant stance to take, not bothering to examine anything, and being dogmatic that something just is not so.

At least look and examine the suggestion, and give it context, ask if anyone would have a means and a motive to do it, and follow that trail.

It's not about believing you, me, the media, it is about at least listening to a given claim, and going off to check...for yourself.

[video=youtube;QK2Yoz8M8uw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QK2Yoz8M8uw[/video]

 

Correct.

It was however a fine example of a mass of people being made to dehumanise and depersonalise another mass so much, by the media, and by the shadow Gov scriptwriters, that despite knowing all of this, Americans were mainly either silent, or they even approved.

And it is STILL there, FFS.

 

idc about foreign terrorists. but any american needs to be convicted through a trial with a jury to face punishments

 

So who and what are "foreign terrorists"? If you went to China today and stood in Tiananmen Square and yelled out "The Chinese Government is a bunch of Bastards because of what happened here" You could expect to be thrown in jail and possibly tortured for if not terrorism then incitement to......... well fill in the blank

 

So by the same reasoning, if the rest of the world deems Americans to be terrorists, then it is a two way street, your citizens, anywhere, become 'terror suspects', and we can not give a crap about them, right?

 

americans >>>> all

we protect our citizens internationally. we shouldnt give 2 craps about foreign terrorists trying to hurt us.

 

no, because we are america.

 

No, you are just a person, therefore, as soon as you step out of the US, you become a legitmate target, by your own spellbinding standard of intellect, and guess what...no one would bother hard to probably get you back.

Just being honest, no offence.

 

And what about your loyal allies

We have stood by you in theatres of war more often than you have stood by us we are still part of the ANZUS alliance are we to be treated differently than American people?

 

Just for the record, when Mossad come for me, the thing I would LEAST like and REALLY hate, would be if those bastards forced me to do stuff with Natalie Portman.

Just mentioning that, that would be the worse thing, of all.

That. Anyway, sorry, keep going..

 

yes.... you are allies, but not american.

 

No, so he loses his hand, he still has one. how about. We take off your hand, we take off your other hand you rot in jail for 200+years? that would've worked for the Aurora shootings. What would it help to release people even earlier?