Dear gun lovers,

Yes they have and you seem to want to ignore what they said and what the USSC said. Why is that?Can't you follow simple rules?

No you don't. It's been ruled what the law is concerning having guns, but you want to ignore it for your own interpretation of the law.

So what did our forefathers and USSC say about American owning guns? Must I keep posting it for you till it sinks in?

Supreme Court Upholds Right To Own Guns For Self-Defense

WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home and addressing a constitutional riddle almost as old as the republic over what it means to say the people may keep and bear arms.

 

MANY MANY gun owners have given their lives defending this republic. I find your entire thought process and methodolgy insulting to all citizens, armed or not.
FWIW Unearned patriotism is a fools errand. This modern government we have has been living on patriotism earned in the past. It has'nt been earning much lately thanks to dividers <<<mod edit>>> PA.

 

yep. You've convinced me. I mean, what to do I know about such things.....the constitution doesn't exist, Maobama isn't real, and your not standing here with your hand out begging us to give up our guns with one hand while sticking a gun in our ribs just to make you "feel" safe. What a load of bull(*)(*)(*)(*)...............bwwwaaaaaaaaaaa
Dude, is anyone forcing you to arm yourself?

 

Then I stand corrected. Are you claiming we don't? If so, what is the basis of that belief?

 

"(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court&#8217;s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller&#8217;s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those &#8220;in common use at the time&#8221; finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54&#8211;56."

(2) gives the lie to (1).

 

What did our forefathers say AGAIN?


Well lets see what our forefathers thought of who should own guns and how the USSC came up with their decision.


THOMAS JEFFERSON

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.

Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.

Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344.

THOMAS PAINE

"The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world not destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside ... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them ... the weak will become prey to the strong."Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War

JAMES MADISON

"Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms."

SAMUEL ADAMS

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms . . ."

GEORGE MASON

"When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor..."

George Mason, Virginia Constitution Convention

NOAH WEBSTER

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."

Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787)

TENCHE COXE

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

RICHARD HENRY LEE

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."

Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..."

ELBRIDGE GERRY

"Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

GEORGE WASHINGTON

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."

"A free people ought not only to be armed..."

PATRICK HENRY

"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

March 23, 1775:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


http://www.dojgov.net/Liberty_Watch.htm

 

We would not need our exorbitantly expensive, War on Crime, if gun lovers loved their republic enough to muster for it.

 

Fortunately for us, our Founding Fathers were much wiser than most of their Posterity, since they specifically enumerated not just any militia (of the United States), but a Well Regulated militia of the United States.

 

No one has said there can be no restrictions on the types of guns we can have. What we have said and what has been said by the USSC and our forefathers. That we have the right to own guns without having to be in a regulated militia, which you sir keep disagreeing with.

 

That reminds me of the old Catch 22 question: When did you stop beating your wife?

 

Would you believe me if I told you it was when I decided to love my republic more than my guns?

 

Okay, I agree with you to an extent. Here's where you've lost me. Are you suggesting that I should turn in my guns in an effort to stop crime? Or are you suggesting that I become a vigilante and enforce the law even though I would be breaking the law because I have no sanction to do so?

 

Fine if you don't want the freedom they gave us to own a gun, don't own one. But don't put the rest of us down for taking what they said we have the right to own.

 

I don't need a pipe dream. I have supreme court precedent...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

You have no idea what fallacies are. your argument remains refuted.

 

yea, this doesn't do anything at all for your argument.

 

it of course does no such thing. your argument remains refuted.

 

The Founders disagree, as do I.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of an INDIVIDUAL, of the PEOPLE, to keep and bear arms. What part of the PEOPLE don't you understand? The Supreme Court has upheld that the "People" means individual citizens and that they do not need to be connected to the Militia or any agency of the Government to keep and bear arms for personal use.

What are you citing here?

 

You are stereotyping; that is not my position. My position merely claims, that only a well regulated militia of the United States is specifically exempted from State laws regarding gun control in favor of federal regulations prescribed by our federal Congress. Gun control is an inherent and traditional police power of any State and protected under the Tenth Amendment. Gun Prohibition is no longer a States' right, due to our Second Amendment and the Individual civil and natural right to acquire, posses, keep and bear, forms of private property in the class called Arms in any of our several and sovereign States of our Union.

 

I am not sure what you mean. Our Founding Fathers already Told us what is Necessary to the security of a free State.

Why are we wasting Taxpayers dollars, on a wasteful, War on Crime that doesn't seem to work very well?

 

Resorting to the fewest fallacies implies being more faithful to sublime Truth (value) than Persons who resort to fallacy for their Cause, on a potentially for profit basis.

 

Refuted by what?

 

Our Founding Fathers did not disagree when they intelligently designed our federal Constitution and the federal doctrine.

The militia of the United States is codified at 10USC13.

And, They wisely enumerated not just any militia of the United States, but specifically, enumerated that a well regulated militia is what is necessary to the security of a free State. It is in our own supreme law of the land to be faithful to.

 

Great post. Smart. Simple. And to the point.

I just wonder when the redneck followers will wake up and realize that the only reason they aren't making the money they deserve is because of the party they follow.

 

Just who are these "Gun Lovers"?


I own a few guns, and know a fair amount about them. I've used them professionally for many of my years of service.


I no more "Love" any particular gun, than I "Love" a hammer, knife, Osciliscope, or Microwave Detector Diode. A Gun is simply a tool with a particular use and function.


If I didn't have a gun, and several times in my life I've needed one, and had none...I'd simply make do with something else.


As for my Republic, it is far stronger, safer, and more enjoyable because of guns, not in spite of them.


My Republic could do well to have a few less homocidal wack-jobs, and it would be much better with allot less Liberals.


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They were intelligent when they created the Constitution, but don't presume to say they didn't ensure that it stated that every citizen, every person, "the People" (regardless of their association with a militia) could keep and bear arms.

Nowhere does it say that only those active in a militia may keep and bear arms.

Plus this code did not come into effect as it is today during the time of our Founding Fathers, plus this code does not support your point that as a private citizen I may not carry firearms. The 2nd Amendment does guarantee my right to keep and bear arms, and the Founders and the Supreme Court agree. I have court decision/precedence and the intent of the Founders on my side. You have nothing.