Graceful move by Russia to end adoptions of Russian orphans

Perhaps you're confusing delays from bureaucracy with a shortage of children needing homes? I mean you're just one person and you adopted 3 children so a lack of available orphans doesn't seem to be an issue.

 

No mention of a UNICEF estimate of those available for adoption.

 

That was given in my Washington Times article. 140,000.

Here's another from the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/w...-of-russian-children.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

So where are you going to get over a hundred thousand families to adopt these children?

 

First I am not talking about children needing homes, as I've made clear the need is ver great and far outweighs the number of international adoptions. What I am talking about is the numbert given up for international adoption which is quite different. Bureaucracy is part of the reason for the waiting but on top of this is simply a lack of children made available. The longer waiting lists now compared to when I adopted has meant fewer applications and means fewer applicants are qualified - this has to do with age. So the the two, number of people wanting to adopt and number of children available are not unrelated but it is clear that it is the number of children which is the deciding factor and not the reverse. I emphasise that this is so for normal adoptions and not for special needs ones. In the case of special needs children the waiting list can be very considerably shorter and children can be waiting rather than prospective parents. This was the case for our second adoption which was the reason why we didn't wait so long despite the bureaucracy being even greater.

Actually we're two people that have adopted three but why does this mean there's no issue? We know plenty of poeple who would have adopted more children if it hadn't been for the waiting lists which are a consequence of the lack of children put up for international adoption.

 

I'm not sure how much the Washington Times stands by their communities of writers but the tone of the article suggests it wasn't up to standard.

I think the 120,000 mentioned in the New York Times article refers to those available to domestic adoption.

There aren't these tens or hundreds of thousands of children available for international adoption believe me!

 

Look, I've provided you with reliable sources. There are at least 120,000 children available for adoption.

 

tyrerik How many article do you need all saying essentially the same thing?

http://www.bigfamilyministry.org/russian_orphan_information.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042302223.html

By the way if you want more a Google search "Number of Russian Orphans will get you more than a hundred articles"

The primary information you will get from a lot of these orphanages is that Russian orphanages suck balls and that Russian record keeping sucks even more were that possible.

 

Again, the number of Russian orphans is not in dispute here, its the number of children available for international adoption that is, which is a very different matter. If Russian record keeping sucks then that would put a great limitation on the number in dispute:

CHILDREN who can be adopted internationally
Russian children must meet specific requirements before they are eligible for international adoption. You cannot adopt a specific child in Russia unless he or she is off the Central Data Base.
The Russian government maintains a data base of children without parental care. Under Russian law, a child must be registered first on the local databank for one month and the regional databank for one month before their information is filed in the Federal databank.
If no Russian families come forward to domestically adopt the child within the following six months, the child then becomes eligible for inter-country adoption.

source

One reason orphans may not be put up for international adoption:

Children with disabilities are placed into institutions when they turn five years old, and they are taken off a database of orphaned children, so it makes it almost impossible to find them a permanent home, the Fillmores said.

source

 

Again, the number of Russian orphans is not in dispute here, its the number of children available for international adoption that is, which is a very different matter. If Russian record keeping sucks then that would put a great limitation on the number in dispute:

CHILDREN who can be adopted internationally
Russian children must meet specific requirements before they are eligible for international adoption. You cannot adopt a specific child in Russia unless he or she is off the Central Data Base.
The Russian government maintains a data base of children without parental care. Under Russian law, a child must be registered first on the local databank for one month and the regional databank for one month before their information is filed in the Federal databank.
If no Russian families come forward to domestically adopt the child within the following six months, the child then becomes eligible for inter-country adoption.

source

One reason orphans may not be put up for international adoption:

Children with disabilities are placed into institutions when they turn five years old, and they are taken off a database of orphaned children, so it makes it almost impossible to find them a permanent home, the Fillmores said.

source

 

Dude...time to lay off the vodka.

 

Sir Jarlaxle. Please read the posts forward. My idiotic response was merely a joke response to the earlier post.

If you read the posts from first to last, you may actually understand them. Gulp. So smooth. Awhh. Gulp. So smooth. Awahhh. Vommit.

Don't read it backwards my friend.

I am an orphan FYI my father died heroically in all three wars Korea, Vięt Nam, and Afghanistan.

 

If I remember correctly the second article says that there are about 120k Russian orphans ready for adoption. In a good year something less than 10 k are adopted. Any kid much over a year old is probably screwed for life by a Russian orphanage system that seams designed to maximize the likelihood that a child will become an antisocial paranoid.

 

What is at dispute is the number of children available for international adoption. First criteria is that they are on a central database, so how many are there on the database? Even before this ban several regions apparently had their own ban so children here orphans and others were not up for international adoption but likely in the figures mentioned here.

How many US children are available for international adoption? How many available for adoption?

 

Its good if a nation wants to take care of its children but this is probably just using them as a pawn in a fight with the united states

 

I just told you the number avaialble for adoption is about twelve times the number adopted.

 

Available for adoption is not the same as available for international adoption.

 

What a laugh. Why would people who did not want the child and refused to care for it properly think that they should have any say in how that child was raised once it was adopted?
The sad truth is that it is bad publicity for russians to be seen as such poor and neglectful parents, so Putin has decided to dial back the wholesale baby selling industry and lay low for a while.
The only ones who will suffer are children and adoptive parents who could give them a decent life.
He'll probably do a photo-op, standing bare-chested holding a few orphans, and you people will swoon or get a hard-on, and your country will continue its reactionary slide.

 

Some Russians not happy with new bureaucratic anti-American adoption ban...

Even Some Russians Oppose New Law Banning Americans From Adopting Russian Children
December 27, 2012 – A controversial Russian law banning American families from adopting Russian children has generated enough opposition inside Russia to prompt a parliamentary committee’s unprecedented agreement to consider a petition against the move.

 

It's strange these people have to go to Russia or another country to buy a child, no? What about adopting an orphan here in America? There's been some unfortunate incidents concerning Russian children adopted to US citizens. One child was even put on a plane to be returned, just like you would return an unwanted item back to a Walmart.

Russians in general are very angry about this and I can't blame them.

 

Makes sense so long as the same abuse is not committed at home

 

Granny says dey's protestin' in Russia against dat anti-America adoption ban...

Thousands march to protest Russia's adoption ban
Jan 13,`13 MOSCOW (AP) -- Thousands of people marched through Moscow on Sunday to protest Russia's new law banning Americans from adopting Russian children, a far bigger number than expected in a sign that outrage over the ban has breathed some life into the dispirited anti-Kremlin opposition movement.

 

Your father dying three times may have something to do with your difficulty with reality.

 

The boy's death has stoked Russian anger about the treatment of adoptees in the United States...

Russia investigates 'murder' of Max Shatto, US adoptee
19 February 2013 - Russia's top investigative body has opened a murder inquiry after a three-year-old adoptee died in the US.

 

Autopsy to be performed on lil' Max...

Texas Authorities Investigate Death of Adopted Russian Child
February 19, 2013 — Authorities in Ector County, in west Texas, are investigating the death of a three-year-old boy who was born in Russia and adopted by a US couple living in that area. A medical examiner raised questions about possible abuse after a preliminary inspection of the boy's body, which is now undergoing an autopsy.

 

That is a joke.