Should flag burning be illegal?

And so should thumping the fool that burns the flag. In doing so I have freely expressed my disapproval of him burning the flag I served and I didn't serve to see that flag burned by some fool that doesn't know what sacrifice means.

 

You should be allowed to insult.

Should we also outlaw calling people stupid?

 

Indeed! the republicrat party (both democrat and republican factions) should be banned!

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Who's going to determine if it's an insult or a legitimate argument? You're talking about completely objective stuff here. People get insulted by legitimate arguments all the time.. For example you say Israel shouldn't invade its neighbors and you get called an "anti-semite".

 

That's just your subjective interpretation.

It IS making an argument. It IS making a statement.

It's saying, we refuse to bow down to an empire that's trying to subjugate us. It says we are saying NO to oppression. It is saying you do NOT have power over us.. In fact it says a lot.

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The government does this more than anybody else.

The government not only advocate for breaking the law, but they routinely break the law.

 

No, you were right the first time. It's just sounds, it doesn't mean anything.

It's OTHER people that are CHOOSING to be offended by harmless sounds.

 

When you physically assualt someone, you violate their rights. Nobody has the right to not be insulted. Why don't you just compare giving someone the finger to rape and murder while you're at it? I mean they're all attacks.

He made a point about flag burning, in a thread about flag burning. That's hardly trolling. He made a point about how far he would go to demonstrate the importance of the right. It was a good statement.

 

You must have used the Supreme Court edition of the dictionary where corporate bribery of politicians is speech.

I'm surprised you guys can't tell the difference between expressing yourself, and assaulting others.

In the first case, people CHOOSE whether or not they get harmed by it. In the second case, they do NOT choose.

See the difference?

 

A flag does not represent a whole nation I think you'll find many people anywhere do not feel that a flag or government represents their views or beliefs at least not wholly. Secondly not all flags are burned to insult so it comes to my conclusion that you are confusing protesting and disagreeing with taunting because you are taking the destruction of a piece of clothe too personally.

Besides wasting security resources on such trivialities that comply with using ones property without doing harm to others is shameful. If there is no threat to anyone then the is no reason to bother.

 

Actually, it IS just a piece of cloth. And a cross is just a piece of wood. etc.. Any value in these objects is value that OTHERS decide to place in it.

Do you think just the national flag burning should be outlawed? Should we ban just that, or any and all flags?

You might step on an ant, and you'll insult me and "assault" me.. After all, that ant is God to me. That's a holy ant. She was also my best friend. And you stepped on her. Throw you in jail, right, you after all offended me.

See what I mean.. You can't just ban harmless things on the grounds that others make the CHOICE to get offended by them.

You ever say something that somebody took the wrong way? And they got insulted and you had to say no you didn't mean it like that? Most people have this experience. THAT is proof that it's up to the others whether or not it is an insult, not the one making it.

How do you plan to enforce outlawing insults? No more name calling, sticking up the middle finger, cold gazes of derision, conceited laughter, rolling of the eyes etc.

You want everyone to walk around not offending each other? How?

Do you want to lock up 99% of people or make them return to court every other day?

 

Maybe in Sweden. But at least in the U.S., to even pose the question is a ridiculous proposition. If we are to consider ourselves free, then we must be free to express ourselves in a manner we see fit--regardless of how some may feel about it. I'd like to suggest that a nation should be stronger than a piece of cloth. That said, I have great reverence for the U.S. flag and what it represents--and one of the things it represents is in fact the right to burn it!

 

You wouldn't get rid of anything. You'd only succeed in driving them into the shadows... while simulataneously strengthening their resolve. For my part, I'll always err on the side of liberty.

 

Sure they are.

I think you are confused. Free speech means the government can't go after you for expression. It in no way protects the individual from the consequences of his speech.

 

I'll be sure to visit you in jail. Your freedom stops at the end of my nose.

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Then you are guilty of assault.

 

Outstanding post!

 

A flag is just just a piece of cloth. I do not pledge allegiance to it, and neither should anyone else. it represents the United States, and, burning it is a legitimate form of protest when the US government abuses it's power.

If we are going to start taking the flag too serious, we might as well do it right. We should arrest people for leaving the flag out in the ran, which is a crime. We should arrest people in the south for placing the confederate flag higher on a flagpole, also a crime.

 

It's just a dumb piece of national insignia. If people want to become emotionally attached to pieces of cloth, let them. Personally I really couldn't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*), and it makes me laugh how some get so hysterically outraged when someone sets fire to one of their Sacred Symbols-(probably with a 'Made in China' label somewhere). Get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing life.

 

No, that's assault and that's also your road to jail.

 

Flag burning should be legal, but frowned upon by society, just my two cents

 

http://www.usa-flag-site.org/faq/disposal.shtml

proper disposal of a flag

The only definitive answer is found in the US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:

"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"

 

'Dignified'? Is that like with a serious, pensive and sombre expression, and hands piously clasped like at a funeral? What a crock, lol!

 

I've never burned a flag. Never really thought about it. I really never even think of the flag. But if flag burning were made illegal I would go out, buy one, and burn it.

 

I think the most effective way of dealing with fringe elements is to simply observe them and then prosecute them if you're able to catch them plotting something.

Swede, we agree on certain things, but you should really think about what you're saying here. The logic you're using right now is the same logic Muslims use to try and censor criticism of Islam. This is NOT a road you want to go down.

 

I have, in school, when we were supposed to support Empire Day. Very satisfying. Most of our people, of course, are not enamoured of the unionist flag, on which our Country is not represented.

 

Um, no. Violence isn't protected, but surely you knew that.

So would you say that someone who burns a Koran should be executed?

You might want to think about the kind of people you're starting to sound like.

 

You want to use violence to achieve your goal of banning groups that support violence to achieve their goals?