ALP LIES will translate to a record election loss

Hard to release the costings when they dont know the true state of the books...swan needs to release that first.
The rest of your post isnt worth the time responding to

 

BB, you replied to my post, but you still haven`t addressed the issue here, referring to ALP dishonesty. As a reminder, please find a copy of the post in question below.


post #16 at 10:31 today
"listening to question time last week. Wayne Swan was ranting and whining about how Abbott wanted to hurt the poor people, create unemployment, and rape and pillage working women. How did Swan come to this conclusion? Abbott questioned him on the ALP surplus back flip.

Let`s examine this thought process for a minute. Swan and the ALP made the heroic announcement of a budget surplus in 2013. At the time, analyists were saying that committing to a surplus was a weak policy, that a budget economy actually takes money OUT of the economy, which we can ill afford ATM. So when Abbott questioned Swan on the surplus backdown, what does Swan do? He throws a childish tantrum accusing Abbott of all manor of evil, just for asking the question. Somehow little Wayne interpolated asking a simple question, to Abbott wanting to hurt people. Abbott has done, or said nothing to back up Wayne Swan`s accusation, nothing at all, but Swan never lets the facts stand in the way of any of his decisions.

When we consider that a man capable of such feeble intellectual performances is the treasurer on our nation, the alarm bells become deafening. In this instance, Wayne Swan could only have playing to the most intellectually disabled people of Australia, the ones who have been brainwashed to hate all sorts of people, for no good reason. Some would say that wayne Swan is an idiot. I wouldn`t call Swan an idiot. He`d have to study long and hard to acheive idiot status."

 

The people who will be costing the policies (The PBO) are independent and non-partisan and know the state of the books.

The Liberals keep boasting how its policies are going to save us. How about proving it.

 

And it will be, as soon as swan releases the true state of the books...Because as we have seen time and time again what the ALP tell us and the truth are two different things.

 

Again. The costings are done by an independent. non-partisan group with access to "the true state of the books".

I don't think that is asking much.

 

Well if they can't even provide policies for costing to the PBO they must be pretty scared about what is going to come back.

The cost of policies won't change depending on how much the government has. The only thing that will change is how they are going to pay for it.

If it turns out that when the LNP are elected that ALP lied significantly about the budget then even a raging leftie like me would be willing to accept that they won't be able to deliver everything they ask.

 

So rather than go through the inevitable finding that labor has cooked the books yet again and then having to change the policies why not just have swan release the books to begin with? Much simpler and really why wouldnt he, has he something to hide?

 

Because they are scared of what comes back.

 

HAHAHHAHAHHa thank you!
Yes that is exactly why Swan will not release the books. They are scared of the damage it will do. The public will know the true extent of the ALP fiscal failure.

 

LOL... record rain fall? So you finally have a town that has broken a flood level record. After all your previous claims of record breaking floods only to find that is damage costs that are record breaking. When a flood even that happens that affects many towns and cities, you have a town to hang your hat on to claim a record breaking event. CONGRATULATIONS, I would never expected this from somebody who is so eminently situated to observe such things. Yes, you want to claim that a weather event does not disprove the AGW theory, but you want to isolate one town in a weather event that stretches over hundreds of miles and declare NOT THE WEATHER EVENT but the HIEGHT OF THE FLOOD at that town…LOL

NOT the rail fall, NOT the flood levels but the cost of building in KNOWN flood plains. Now you want to claim them as unknown flood plains, even after discoveries in the last GREAT FLOOD event you proclaimed to be record breaking, from the enquiries into the event and building programs.

BB your attempts of the previous have been shown to be false and misleading and you are yet to apologise for making them.

Your newest claim that insurance levels are a new indicator of AGW is false and presuming as the Queensland government has not paid insurance for decades. Why? Because Queensland experiences of present happened frequently in the past so the state government of the past decided it was too expensive then. Now they expect the rest of the nation to pay for events that occur frequently in the state and you stupidly attempt to justify it by misleading this forum of the truth of the floods and building in Queensland.

Again, if you build a house in the river, you should expect it to get flooded.

 

a) have you ever hear of the word EXAMPLE?

I was citing Bundaberg as an EXAMPLE - can find plenty of data out there - BOM is a good start

B) You have yet to "prove" anything let alone that I post falsehoods

c) IS a strawman - you are assigning meaning to my posts which is NOT there and then claiming I made "false statements"

LOLS!!

 

So will she wait longer than 5 mins after the booths close before making a concession speech? I dare say it will be the biggest party in a LONG time..

 

LOL... Yes an example of all those record breaking floods. Oh hang on that is the only record broken wasn't it? You attempted to use BOM last time this type of debate was raised and it showed you where wrong again.

I did in the past several times. You proclaimed the Brisbane floods to be the highest ever recorded... they where not. You proclaimed the heaviest down pouring of rain over the shortest period was a new record... it was not. The only record that you could claim was that it cost the state more than previously... which when relative terms where addressed, it was not. What happened when it was shown... you ran and hid like the misleading person you are.

Yes you would laugh about that, you think enough time has passed to get away with making false and misleading statements, just as you have here.

Strawman claims would be the one you just made about the record breaking flood event. One town breaks a peak flood level and suddenly it is catastrophe of an event. The facts have constantly demonstrated that you have got it wrong. YOUR only example of record breaking events again is the only record that was broken.

 

AS i recall I won that debate as your only contribution was claiming you "won" without proof - which is what is happening here now - and the beauty of it I do not have to prove a thing - you are proving who is right and who is the liar all by yourself

Proof? Because I remember this quite differently

Yes, with this last downfall it MAY have been the only record broken but that was not the point I was making. The point I was making was "How can someone choose to NOT to live in a flood prone area when the flood has never occurred there before and it was not known as "flood prone"?

But if you want to continue to call me a liar either prove it or I WILL report you as it is against the rules of this forum

 

He has proven it..time and time again, but you as per usual clamp your hands over your eyes and refuse to see... We see it though BB...

 

LOL... How your memory does lie to you. I have never claimed I won any debate. It is totally up to others to determine who won any debate. So your claim that you won is actually demonstrative of deceiving the current viewers. As BOM provided all the figures that disproved your claim that the last Queensland Flood was the highest on record, when it actually did not achieve 1973-74 levels that were not in themselves record breaking events. YOU WOULD BE WRONG.

As you have not provided any evidence of your claims here, does not in any way mean I am assigned to disprove your claims. It is your responsibility to support your own claims, of which you obviously cannot.

Of course you do. Problem is that nothing proves your claims of record breaking events. However, do you really want to have this debate again? I believe you had another person band over this, because you were so insensitive that you came out of the box the very night of the flood to attempt to score a political point while people where drowning.

Do you really want that? But I digress. No, you want to claim 'you won' be my guest, but your credibility was destroyed the night you preferred your political points over people’s lives.

What? First of all it was simply an example NOW it is the only record? As stated misleading. Perhaps you could make a study about that, but seeing as how many houses where of the Queensland style which were used in flood areas I would expect that it was not an unknown FLOOD PRONE area.

Report me... I do not care... as you have done in the past... you hide when you are caught out... as you have again been shown to be misleading the forum.

 

Hmmm, what options do we have? Adolf Abbotts or whom else?
You might be right, the ALP under Gillard will loose big time, but as a redneck hater I cannot vote for the Libs or Nationals.......

 

So on which exact date did the Australian economy crash because according to Abbott the Australian economy is in an uncontrollable downward spiral.

 

Been done a million times, you just spruik the ALP line in return...YAWN...
Tank it is going to take HOW long to repay the record debt???

 

Record debt?

Who listens to lies now? Almost all the debt the Liberals (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about is PRIVATE debt. You want less debt YOU borrow less. Government debt is among the least in the developed world. That's GOOD.

 

record GOVERMENT debt tank....

 

I guess you can't read. We're not the USA. We're not Japan. We're not Greece.

We are AUSTRALIA.

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It's funny how you guys go on and on about lies but you eat up every bull(*)(*)(*)(*) sandwich that Abbott offers you and proclaim it to be delicious.

 

So other than insults you have nothing? I see that you are still yet to address that this goverment has racked up the biggest debt in our history....saying its smaller than others isnt addressing the fact is it...mmmmm

 

It's called context and stop lying. It isn't the biggest.

 

Its called cutting through your ALP spoonfed propaganda and YES it is our biggest goverment debt in history. The debt ceiling had to be lifted TWICE to accommodate swans fiscal irresponsibility.