Top US Commander: Iran sanctions failed, Iran enriching beyond any peaceful purposes

If you want me to think something different then that's cool.. But it means you have to give me an alternate interpretation for these things. Not just the Iranian people, and economy, but also Mahmoud's political career, are all taking a severe beating from these sanctions. Why?

I'm just trying to find the most reasonable interpretation for the facts that we do know.

Circumstantial evidence can be damm near close to as good as a smoking gun, depending on lack of alternate explanations. A preponderance of it paints a case damm near as strong as a smoking gun if not just as well. Of course you never technically can reach 100% certainty. But law of approach puts you damm close, like 99 odd percent.

Lack of evidence is not proof of falsehood. Sometimes that which lacks evidence is probably true.

Like look at what scientists say about life outside the solar system, for example.

 

you think you can?
and we will be watching you?!

Iraq was going to do the same with us 20 years ago, we were totally alone, USA,France,Israel,Arabia and many many countries were with Iraq too.
we had no HI-TECH weapons or sth, Iraq had the latest Fighters and Ships.

what happened? Iraq DEAFETED, we WON !

now USA can try if he doubts it.

 

The thing is the implications of unfounded smoking guns for those on the receiving end of Western power has been historically catastrophic. It's not good enough to make definitive deductions on the basis of perceived intentions.

 

hi forum.
I'm a new member here.
answering this statement, i should say that:
unfortunately western media boycott many news from their civilians. and just repeat some fake claims like parrots.

Iranian leader had announced: "Iran is not seeking for nuclear weapons. we consider Nuclear weapons as a crime against humanity. we call for elimination of nuclear weapons in the world. Iran does not want nuclear weapons, and this decision is not based on American's upset and intimidation. just for our belief in anti-humanity of nuclear weapons". he has said: "if we wanted to make nuclear weapons no one was strong enough to stop us".

and that's all the story.

 

Gilos, as people go, I find you not too bad, and better than many, on here.

That you do not usually spew hate at me, is the only reason I have a dialogue with you, which is more than some would afford you (like Galloway).

That being said, I know you were in the army there. Unless you are over 45, then you can still be called upon.

I loathe your army. They represent everything that I would not tolerate in an army. They follow orders which are illegal and immoral. You shoot at unarmed people, and are bullies, no more and no less. I have zero respect for this. Not saying you have killed or shot kids, but you are part of it. The only way I could possibly make a case to absolve you would be if you, without delay, formally refused to engage in any more action on behalf of your state, and stood against it. As some have, and those men, those are not my enemy.

Perhaps you should do the same?

Let me spell it out.

Not an enemy...[video=youtube;ZFsw_VvdJlA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFsw_VvdJlA&feature=player_embedded[/video]

A hero...[video=youtube;cb50-ouA-IA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cb50-ouA-IA[/video]

 

MM is right though.

Sure, there are hundreds of other components, but they are the spiders at the centre of the web. Them and their affiliate families and blood lines, of which there are about 12 or 13.

'Israel' belongs to them.

Believe me, if they were of a mind to, they could end all of what you have seen, in the past 65yrs.

 

Yes, and I am sick of it.

It was 'speculation' and actually LIES that caused the deaths of how many, in Iraq?

All told, with the sanctions etc, as well?

It is DISGUSTING that this is what gets walked away from, let alone, a few years later, entertaining such chat again.

This is just all wrong.

This is worse than the Stalinists or Hitler, it is more dangerous, it can involve more and hurt more,and it is NOW.

 

I agree. The road of complacency is a very dangerous road to travel down. Unquestionably in my mind, all this talk of smoking guns is indicative of a repeat of an uncritical media whose job is to bring prognostications predicated on myths to account. We are again sleep-walking towards another Iraq.

 

I agree 100%.

Everything else you see is merely a product of three centuries of that family, and their bloodline. I cannot be bothered typing it all out again, if people are really interested, they would need to go look for themselves, and really begin with an open mind, if they are starting from fresh, it would take them months of reading and listening, before they had all of the picture.

Only then can they fairly make a judgement imo, and I have done precisely that, I did spend the time, I did do the reading, I did listen, I did counter check, and there is no doubt AT ALL, that beyond and above anyone else, this family, and their bloodlines(not all carry the name), have been, without equal, the spider at the centre of the web.

More dangerous, more culpable, more rogue, than ANY Israeli PM, terrorist group, or US President,ever.

The list of crimes they could be associated with, and charged with are too many to list, spanning three centuries. They are getting worse as they go on, not better. They play god with people, their lives, and that means all of us, because Jews too have been sacrificed by them, make no error there.

It used to be that just the males were allowed into the business and into the secrets. That changed 25yrs or so ago. The question is not one of their guilt, for they are, as you will know too, if you have read a lot about their dark history and present.

The question is more one of what to do about it, and who would be best placed?

Well, you are not going to get far lobbying your MP or Congressmen, that is for sure.

And a wee letter to the UN, NATO, or the EU is not going to do anything save for end up binned!

The courts are not an option for those reasons.

But still they should be stopped, there is no other choice, unless people want this to reach it's logical conclusion, following their path.

Imo, it could only be done by those with the skills, training, expertise, in practice then, what it would take would be a coalition of former(or even current), SAS, Green Beret, etc, who were righteous men, who saw stopping them as a rightous cause.

This would be the most direct route, the most effective route, it would bypass all the fog, layers, false paths, and distractions, and take it to the highest source possible, the source, and the cause, and the profiteers.

When you cut the head from the monster, the rest will fall, as a natural order.

Not calling for their random execution you understand, this is about justice not revenge, but for sure, men of high honour, that had the training, they could, I am sure, isolate the main players (as is the way with terrorists), then make an arrest on behalf of humanity, then get them to confess to all of their secrets and all of their allies, layers, all of it, leave nothing.

Then break them economically, sharing their assets (and those of their allies), among the World.

Like you say, you need to start someplace, otherwise you are just chasing shadows, in a never ending manner.

What heroes such men would be.

 

Are we though?

I can see it.

You can see it.

We are not special, higher up's than us can see it.

So we are not asleep.

It would be more accurate to say that we are awake to it, but this international criminal cabal, in the end, they do not give a stuff if we like it, support it, or not.

They do not care what we know or can see.

They are daring the World to stop them.

 

Not confusing to me. they give you a total, and then they break it out as to how many are under <15 y.o.

Yes 17 is the limit. sorry.

If you wish to dismiss it, do so. there are plenty of other sources for this information.

 

so all ex pat palestinians and all of them in the camps are considered Israeli enemy combatants?

 

That's an important clarification. I think you are right to infer that the corporate media is not benign which is what your post above implies. Apparently, "rockweiler" "journalists" like Paxman were hoodwinked over Iraq. If people believe that, they'll believe anything.

 

how do you figure that? history certainly doesn't support that. The US only supplied emergency military aid once in 73, but turns out israel didn't "need" it, it just replenished stock.

As for vetos in the UN, resolutions certainly couldn't destroy Israel.

What evidence do you have to support such a claim of Israel only existing because of the US?

 

I'm not saying that Israel only exists because of the US but rather that it sustains it. It's my view that both Israel and the US are mutually interdependent states. I don't but the conspiracy theory that Israel controls the US, rather that the former is historically of significant importance to the latter in geopolitical and economically strategic terms.

 

Not benign?

Let me put it this way.

In all of history, and I mean ALL of history, there has never EVER been a malicous, malignent, war mongering, lying, disinformation propaganda machine, that could tell so many lies, to so many, for so few.

Even the famed Nazi and Communist propaganda machine, as good as they were for their day, could not come even close to this.

And this is far far worse, actually, because it is part of global mainstream, and because it is here and now, and because we have a far worse weapons arsenal.

In short, those righteous men I spoke of before, they would allign with other righteous men that can see this, and rather than sit and do nothing, stop it. I call for all owners of all corporate global media, including, but not exclusive to CNN, Fox, Time Warner, News Corps, etc, to be placed under immediate arrest, and their assets frozen, until such a time that an indepedent body can do a full investigation of them. All corporate media owners, and their 'products', would be declared hostile enemy propaganda, an incitement to war, and of systematically lying to the public, for the benefit of global and international war mongers.

All senior exec's would also be placed under immediate arrest, on suspicions of being complicit.

In the short term, the media would be nationalised, until such a time that those that agree to use it only to print information of the highest and most accuate, would be honoured to bring the news. The massive profits would go, and monopolies no more.

We are not stooges to be lied to by a global psychological operation, aka media.

They are guilty of all of the above, and must be punished for it.

Imo.

 

The hype urging war against Iran is just another racket to enrich a few insiders:
[video=youtube;F3_EXqJ8f-0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0[/video]
Nothing has changed in regard to the war racketeers in the USA since then.

 

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible.

jack, why did you leave out the bolded above?

combined with:

Iran can never be threatened in its very existence. Israel can. Indeed, such a threat could even grow out of the current intifada. That, at least, is the pessimistic opinion of Martin van Creveld, professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. 'If it went on much longer,' he said, 'the Israeli government [would] lose control of the people. In campaigns like this, the anti-terror forces lose, because they don't win, and the rebels win by not losing. I regard a total Israeli defeat as unavoidable. That will mean the collapse of the Israeli state and society. We'll destroy ourselves.'

and there a nuanced change in context and meaning. But I guess its about painting a picture as opposed of portraying the truth.

 

ON and on about the rothschilds.

It might help if you had a shred of proof to back up these claims.

Your "they own the fed and the bank of england" lies have been exposed repeatedly, yet you refuse to accept fact over fiction.

So, I shall ask you again to produce evidence of these accusations.

Anyone who can't back up their claims with evidence is engaging in spurious, salacious slanderous propaganda.

I dare's ya to produce.

 

round them up. throw then into camps. THEN collect evidence. I can hear the clack of jack boots now.

 

Look.

Let me try putting it another way.

If you showed me two countries, Iran and Israel, and you were to ask me ..

1) Who do I regard as being the more serious nuclear threat?

2) Who do I think would be most likely to launch a nuke?

The answers can only be Israel.

The answer would remain Israel, even if Iran had a few.

Which they do not, there is zero evidence for, and they themselves have said, over and over, they do not. Israel on the other hand, they had 200+ in the mid 80's, their plant is dangeorus and well out of date, they arrogantly and in a brazen manner refuse to deny or acknowledge, nothing is inspected, accountable, and transparent.

Why the heck should they be held to a different standard?

Huh?

If we are all gonna fuss about what Iran do not have, why by the same measure, do we not call Israel out, and if they refuse to comply but bloody boots on their ground, for once.

What about that?

Why not that?

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So you think it is okay for corporate media to spread terrorist propganda?

As long as it supports the Kosher Mafia, right?

 

you should take something for that.

Yes, much worse that Stalin's great purge and starvation of ukraine. Much worse than Hitlers industrialized murder.

You think its more dangerous than the cold war? when a russian sub commodore refused to obey an order to lauch his nukes from the gulf at the US?

 

Israel has a history of denial and deceit, Zionists never permitted any inspection.

Iran has still a long way to go to become as deceitful, as Israel.

Iran is a peaceful nation that did not attack its neighbours in the last 300 years, and Iran signed the NPT and permits inspections.

If I were an Iranian leader, I would abandon the NPT, because Israel refuses to sign it and refuses to abandon its own illegal nuclear program.

 

Good post!

 

And, most of the low IQ morons that think they know anything about the Iranian leader, could not lace his boots, or milk his tea.

I have listened to the man, and I have compared him to what comes out of the mouths of Obama, Bomb Bomb Benny, and Cameron.

He is ten times the man any of them are, and he clearly does care about his country and people, unlike Obama and Cameron. He speaks with intelligence, and there is more peace in his words than pass out of the mouth of Rabbi Bomb Bomb.