Sen. Paul Delays Brennan Action With Filibuster

My suggestion is a sop to bleeding hearts like yourself.

I don't give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s if a member of Al Qaeda is a US citizen. We are at war. We didn't give trials to American citizens who fought in the Wermacht in WWII before we shot them. Neither did we try Southern rebels during the Civil War.

They are agents of a hostile foreign power at war with the United States with the intent to bring down the US government and harm US citizens. As far as I am concerned, that is illegal armed insurrection. Kill them all, I don't care.

 

Do you want drone strikes on citizens unwilling to give their guns up?

 

Yes, there is. You do not know the Constitution. OBTW lib, it is a far more secure version of the argument against torture of foreign detainess, waged so emotionally by the left during Bush's term. On this point, you do not know WTF you are talking about. SCOTUS also ruled the such foreign detainess have basic Habeus Corpus rights. We are talking about American citizens on American soil now. Do they have less rights than foreign spies ?

The breadth of the powers taken by the Executive go far beyong your scenario. You should be supporting Paul. A few civil rights liberals are.

Obamabots meanwhile still line up to suck Obama's wang.

 

You do understand that there is a difference between a detainee in custody and an enemy that we are at war with not in our custody right?

The Constitution does NOT require the US to arrest enemies that we are at war with. We are allowed to kill them.

 

You are confusing "enemies" with American citizens on US soil targeted for assassination by the Executive, in complete defiance of their Constitutional due process. We are not talking about someone shooting at one of our enforcement folks, who return fire. That is not what is on the table here. We are talking about Executive sanctioned assassination of Americans on American soil.

WTFU to what is being discussed. Not your stupid clueless strawman arguments. I am putting you back on deep Ignore because, as discussions go, your points here are not worth a pot to (*)(*)(*)(*) in.

 

Quit kidding ... they have to be *pryed from thier cold dead hands*

 

So if an American joins Al Qaeda, they aren't our enemy and we aren't at war with them?

That is what you are arguing?

Any American who joins Al Qaeda is involved in illegal armed insurrection against the United States.

 

I agree with this, and lets drop the Pat Act and NDAA and every other freedom taking law instilled since 9/11.

 

How do you intend to establish their membership in AQ without having a trial?

 

WTF. Now people are all for bombing our own country? Collateral damage be damged?

 

Intelligence data.

 

Okay, let's say an AQ member is in a remote cabin in the woods in the domestic US. The CIA has the locale and a drone is the only way to neutralize the target before he escapes. Do you authorize a drone strike on the cabin?

How do you intend to establish the veracity of this "data" without having a trial?

 

If it is the only possible way to hit a target, then yes, bomb it. However, I can't see any scenario where it would be necessary to actually use drone strikes on US soil.

And neither could Holder. He spoke in the extreme hypothetical.

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If drones are the only way, then yes.

There is an oversight and verification system within the intelligence community.

 

There is a big difference in attacking enemy Russians on US soil than American's that have been suspected to be terrorist without any trial.

 

What if it turned out to be the wrong guy? What if there were innocents inside the cabin?

Conducting oversight of themselves. Very credible...

 

None of those caveats were in your original scenario, were they?

Congress also provides oversight and the Military is involved as well.

That is the system we have to use because of the need to protect classified information.

 

You expect people who live under a chain of command to police themselves?




FAIL!

 

I guess I gave you bad intel...whoops.

I understand the need to protect classified information. That has nothing to do with this issue, which is about separation of powers and the use of military assets on US soil. We should not let the Executive declare the US a warzone where drone strikes are permissible on civilian targets. We have local law enforcement and the FBI, we do not need CIA drones patrolling our skies and possibly dropping munition on cabins in the woods.

 

If by 'people' you mean mindless leftwads and by 'bombing' you mean Obama bombing, then yes, they are OK with Dear Leader's summary executions.

But don't you dare waterboard anyone. That's over the line.

 

" Medical career

Paul has held a state-issued medical license since moving to Bowling Green in 1993.[20] He received his first job from Dr. John Downing of Downing McPeak Vision Centers, which brought him to Bowling Green after completing his residency. Paul worked for Downing for about five years before parting ways. Afterwards, he went to work at the Gilbert Graves Clinic, a private medical group in Bowling Green, for 10 years before creating his own practice in a converted one-story house across the street from Downing's office.[21] After his election to the U.S. Senate, Paul merged his practice with Downing's medical practice.[22] Paul has had two malpractice lawsuits filed against him since 1993. Paul was cleared in one case and the other was settled for $50,000.[21] Regardless, his medical work has been praised by Downing and Paul has medical privileges at two Bowling Green hospitals.[20][21] Paul specializes in cataract and glaucoma surgeries, LASIK procedures, and corneal transplants.[12]

In 1995, Paul passed the American Board of Ophthalmology (ABO) boards on his first attempt and earned board-certification under the ABO for a decade. In 1997, to protest the ABO's decision to grandfather in older ophthalmologists and not require them to recertify, Paul, along with 200 ophthalmologists formed the National Board of Ophthalmology (NBO).[23] Paul's ophthalmology board is not officially recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS). The NBO was incorporated in 1999, but Paul allowed it to be dissolved in 2000 after not filing the required paperwork with the Kentucky Secretary of State's office. Paul later recreated the board in September 2005, three months before his certification from the ABO was scheduled to expire. His ABO certification lapsed on December 31, 2005. Paul has since been certified by the NBO.[20]

As a member of the Bowling Green Noon Lions Club, Paul founded the Southern Kentucky Lions Eye Clinic to help provide eye surgery and exams for those who cannot afford to pay.[24] He is a regular presenter at the annual Men's Health and Safety Day conference held by The Medical Center of Bowling Green since 1998.[25]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul


All you do is lie. Its an enigma why the mods let you continue at this point.

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Since when would "Russian forces" be American Citizens?

 

Which is how we got Iran Contra the Iraq war and Fast and Furious right? That "intelligence community"?

 

Ok, now that Paulie is a code-pink-like fake Lib ... let's get on with the Brennan confirmation with no gaurantee Drones will not be used against domestic terrorists (code for tea partiers)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/rand-paul-filibuster_n_2819740.html

 

Rand Paul's filibuster in the Senate has come to an end and the absurdity of his reasoning is evident. Let's use his own words to show what an idiot he really is.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...buster-the-talking-kind-against-john-brennan/

Rand Paul's filibuster was based upon the following response to a hypothetical question submitted to the White House which Eric Holder responded to.

Rand Paul, in his statement, basically said that "no American should be killed.... on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court" (I've edited out "drone" because the means for "killing" is irrelevant to the issue). Under Paul's criteria the police have no authority to "kill and American on American soil" even if they are in engaged in armed robbery because they have not been charged with a crime and found guilty by a court of law.

Rand Paul fabricates situations when he states "Americans could be killed in a cafe in San Francisco or in a restaurant in Houston or at their home in Bowling Green, Ky" as Eric Holder never suggested that this would EVER happen.

Holder actually stated, "It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States,"

If Rand Paul actually read the US Constitution it explicitly states that the President has the authority "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;" delegated in Article I Section 8. An insurrection is certainly an "extraordinary" cicumstance but is has happened once already in US history (the Civil War) where the IS military and militias were used to suppress the rebellion of the Confederate States against the authority of the US Constitution. What does Rand Paul believe a president should do in the case of an insurrection? Call forth the militia and have them march around on parade grounds?

Is it likely, for example, that a bunch of white nationalists (racists) will actually start a violent revolt against the US government where the military would have to be called in to stop the revolt? Of course not but if such a extraordinary situation did occur using a drone to attack the rebel encampment would be authorized by the US Constitution.

The bottom line is that Rand Paul has demonstated that he is a complete idiot. He invents BS as if it's facts and ignores both the truth and the US Constitution for purely political reasons. He's really starting to reflect the same stupidity of other "tea party" members in Congress like Michelle Bachmann and hopefully the people of Kentucky will replace him in 2016 when he comes up for re-election.

 

Something needs to be done about drones. Democrats should be filibustering over the drone program too.

 

What's with Paulie pretending he's a code-pink-like fake Lib ?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2819740.html