What would happen if the world treated the US as it does the world?

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnogCha5Iu0

    What would the US do if the world treated it as the US does the world?

    We killed 140,000 foreign citizens in retaliation of the loss of 3,000. How is that even remotely justifiable?

    How can anyone question the motives of "terrorists"? If someone killed your children, would you not do something about it?

    How do the "terrorists" differ from the "revolutionaries" in the right wing "new revolution" fantasy?

    Is the militarization of every level of government not a bigger threat than the imaginary terrorist over seas?
     
  2. custer

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    Silly question.
    We treat the world the way we do because we have no competition.
    This comes to war, foreign aid, and hegemonic leadership.
    But I guess by this video's logic, we should stop giving aid to other countries and start receiving more, eh?
    The world is weak. The US is strong. It's the natural order of things.
     
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    Well, for starters, they'd probably send us a lot of foreign aid for things like Hurricane Sandy and Katrina. Interesting how America never gets any credit at all for all the humanitarian things we do. Cynical blinders. Such a shame. :no:

    I think a better question would be what would happen if the U.S. treated the rest of the world the way they treat us. Now that would be interesting.
     
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    Yes. That's a much better question.

    We have the liberal cry-babies to do just what the world does to us.

    Whine, whine, cry, cry.
     
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    You do realize a lot of countries did offer aid, and the US response was "we've got this"
     
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    Well...let's see. We've be bombed and invaded based on lies and have huge permanent bases from countries all over the world here, and be permanently occupied by every country that's had a dispute with us. Countries around the world would be outsourcing their jobs to us. Rich entrepreneurs would be stashing their cash here. Corrupts administrations like the Bush regime would be overseas. and 9/11 would have been in whatever country they were in instead. The impending economic collapse would be in another country. China would ship the bulk of their slave labor junk somewhere else for profiteers to get richer off of. Mitt Romney would have outsourced all the jobs here instead of overseas. Walmart might not have a stranglehold on competition in the market place. We might not have the warped corporate crapitalism we all suffer from today.
    Just a few thoughts right off the bat.
     
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    I think the rest of the planet's inhabitants would simply look the other way while the US goes about its suicide mission.
     
  8. Unifier

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    Which changes what exactly?
     
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    I definitely do agree with this in almost all aspects but in listing this there was also good that came from our government as well. Hence why I'm a proud supporter for government only in the event it doesn't over complicate things and doesn't do all the crap you just mentioned or supported it through corporate big dudes and instead rely more on the people. For every bad act out of America there is also to some degree good as well. So this is a very complicated topic with a very very hard to determine gray area of agreement due to the fact both the good and bad are very very polar hence why there's a division in parties here.
     
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    They'd get their ass kicked trying.

    Most of the terrorists have never had a child killed, in fact the open mission statement of Al-Qaeda is simply to convert or kill anyone including civilians simply because they are non-Muslim and establish a 1-world Islamic state.

    The hack in the conspiracy theory video who thinks that terrorists 'don't hate the US for their freedoms' obviously hasn't even read Al-Qaeda's own mission statement.

    Plus why would an Islamist care about their children in the same way that a Westerner does? In Islamic culture children and women are more property than anything else.

    No.
     
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    Pax USA has benefited the world.
     
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    Sorry I clicked the likes button agin. It's too close to the reply button. It's purely my fault.

    POST: The world is about to treat the US like the US treats the world so brace yourselves.
     
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    That's probably true. The corporate war profiteers are probably salivating though, and the GOP is probably already getting erections thinking about it.
     
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    Judging from the replies, no one watched the video.

    Nice.
     
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    Meaning what exactly?
     
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    Your OP was wrong - Al Qaeda's open mission statement is too kill any and all infidels, including civilians, and establish a one-world Islamic state. They aren't 'just retaliating because of American crimes abroad.
     
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    He's Russian... so I guess he thinks that Call of Duty is real life, lmao

    [video=youtube;iG7vxlbpeVg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG7vxlbpeVg[/video]
     
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    So people are just born AL Qaeda? No one has ever been given a reason to join it?

    Why don't you shut off Fox News and use common sense?
     
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    Why do you assume someone is merely parrotting Fox News talking ponts when you could readily dispel this faulty notion by DOING YOUR HOMEWORK on the subject of Radical Islam, and Jihad?

    You don't belong here if you won't bother to read about the subject you are mouthing off about.

    You waste our time and make yourself look foolish.
     
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    Of course. Because the idea of slaughtering someone's family is too hard to understand.

    Would you consider booby trapping a road for the hell of it?
    Yes or no.

    If someone killed your family, would you consider booby trapping a road?
    Yes or no.

    "Radical Islam" does not exist in a vacuum. People are given a reason to subscribe to it and act on it. Please watch the video before commenting on the thread again.
     
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    You are right. The US is such a belligerent nation its war on terror is tantamount to whipping a kid for crying about being whipped.
     
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    Not all of the people are like that my friend. It's the high and mighty (usually the wealthiest but not always), that are belligerent. Unfortunately, they control the country now and it's too far gone to cut out the cancer. History always seems to repeat itself (whoever said that sure said a mouthful).
     
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    I am speaking to the inevitability of blowback. The two phenomenie of terrorism and tyranny are so mutually producing they are like electromagnetism to each other.

    The US/Terrorist duality is just like a perpetual self-propagating photon.
     
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    We'd see white Christian males strap bombs to themselves blowing up people in other countries while screaming "GOD BLESS" instead of "Dirka Dirka Allah Dirka" or whatever it is they say, obviously. :peace:
     
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    In the advertising world creative people are constantly on guard against their own tendency to self reference when making ads intended to appeal to a particular demogaphic segment of the population.

    For example, as a man, I would say that women won't buy a shaving creme specially made for women's shaving. They can use our aerosol shaving cremes as they've been doing for years.

    But I do not speak as a woman and I don't think like a woman and I don't have a woman's shaving chore to perform however often it is that they shave and wherever they shave and however they shave.

    So, by me passing judgment on women's shave cremes based on my own lack of knowledge and experience would lead my agency and my client to make a faulty decision. One that might cost millions of dollars and cost me my job. And what I did wrong was to reference my own thoughts, feelings and knowledge of the subject and come up with a bad conclusion.

    Self referencing is not just a common hazard in the advertising and marketing world, it is a bad idea and a common pitfall when discussing politics. Especially when discussing politics involving Islamic radicals and Jihad and the Middle East and the wars we're involved in there and elsewhere.

    You have seized upon ONE aspect of terrorist recruitment, a minor part in the whole universe of things to know about the background and religious commands behind Jihad and you have shut out the entire remainder of the story on Islamic Jihad and terrorism.

    And why have you done this?

    Because you became emotionally charged by the terrible injuries and loss of life graphically portrayed in the predictably emotionally manipulative video. If you found out that video was sponsored by a front group for an Islamist terrorist organization, would you be surprised? I wouldn't. Whenever you see dead bodies upon bodies paraded in front of your eyes from now on, just know that someone is pushing yor emotional buttons and getting you to act as they want you to act.

    Emotionally. Not rationally.

    They want you to FEEL. Not think.

    And by responding emotionally you are reflecting how YOU would feel if someone hurt or killed your loved ones and you would get angry and want to exact your pound of flesh in righteous, angry retribution against those you feel are responsible. You are self referencing.

    But now that you know you've been played and you are responding emotionally instead of logically and you are basing your position on this whole issue on how YOU feel...how YOU would react.

    And the problem with that is that you aren't Muslim. You aren't a simple, uneducated villager caught up in war. You aren't a fundamentalist Muslim struggling to perform Jihad to help create a global caliphate. You aren't a Muslim who wrongly believes that Westerners are in his country to stay there in occupation for decades or more. So, how do you know what motivates the majority of terrorists to act as they do? You really don't know because you have only responded to the question of who plants bombs and why by referencing your own thoughts and feelings without finding out what THEIR thoughts and feelings might be.

    You have shown little interest in genuinely learning about this situation beyond what I suspect is an errant, random, drive-by tourist's kind of knee-jerk sympathy response that was generated by a slick, Islamist sympathizer.

    But, instead of continuing to criticize you, I will close with a criticism of the writer/producers of the clip that so impressed you.

    In one part of the diatribe against the crusading Imperialists that they say in the vid that we Americans are, keep this in mind: Niall Ferguson said the most desirable Imperialism there is is the one the US is promoting...human rights Imperialism.

    The EU nations are said by many to be less concerned with making sure the peoples of the world have liberty and protected human rights. They just want the M.E. to be a reliable supplier of oil.

    But the USA is the bad guy, huh?

    Think about THAT.
     

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