Iraq War 10 Years Later: How Did We Let It Happen?

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The presence of Iraqi WMDs in Syria, as attested to by one of Assad's top air force generals,as already LINKED TO...why play DUMB?

    Unless you aren't playing...
     
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    Sorry, but I'm already familiar with your silly bullcrap. already posted both the Syrian general citing Iraqi chemical weapons in Syria,as well as the 550 tons of yellow cake removed from Iraq by US forces.

    I isn't my job to find it for you, smoke less dope...you'll be quicker.

    I know..research a SEARCH ENGINE...GASP!!! What a CONCEPT!!! :omg:
     
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    I responded to your article and asked what actual evidence there was to corroborate this guy's story. You've not actually "found" anything in Syria, rather this Saddam general is so trustworthy you just take his word for it.

    Even the news article you quoted said "if" he's telling the truth. Not that any of this has a shred of verification.
     
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    ok! I will! lol

    http://crooksandliars.com/2008/07/0...found-in-iraq-bush-was-right-well-not-so-much
     
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    hindsight is always 20/20 and realistic people are already doing that regarding Obama as well.
     
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    I wonder if we'll be hearing from Bush & Cheney & Rice & Rove & Wolfowitz and all the neocons on this anniversary of *comma in history*

    I mean Jebby-Boy will be running on this platform in 2016 ....


    Jeb Bush ~ *History Will Be Kind to My Brother*

    http://crooksandliars.com/blue-texan/jeb-bush-history-will-be-kind-my

    Former Florida governor told NBC: "In his four years as president a lot of amazing accomplishments took place.
    So my guess is that history will be kind to my brother, the further out you get from this and the more people compare his tenure to what's going on now."


    (other amazing Bush accomplishments continues in Link)


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    Despite the benefit of this hindsight, Lefties remain conveniently blind to the facts that 1) their own impeached champion Bill Clinton called for regime change in Iraq, 2) Democrats voted for the authorization of the use of force in Iraq and 3) that WMDs weren't the sole reason for that authorization.
     
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    The Bush administration lied their asses off.

    Not all lying under oath is perjury. http://www.ehow.com/info_8737042_consequences-lying-under-oath.html
     
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    I don't think anyone outside the Fox News audience is buying this time.

    Of course, right wing media has been full of this Iran warmongering for four years now. But nobody else is buying.
     
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    You won't see any, other than rants and made up nonsense from right wing blogs.

    This rationalization has been circling around that drain since 2005, after their case for war evaporated into the mirage it always was. Absent any real evidence that there was this huge WMD capacity that was a material threat to a superpower on the other side of the world, the paranoid and fearful had to make one up.

    After all, the alternative is to admit that they've been suckered by their own people. And no wingnut will ever admit that! (which is one reason it keeps happening over and over).
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkazf7znllQ
     
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    Happy Anniversary.

    A dozen car bombs and suicide blasts tore into Shi'ite districts in Baghdad and south of the Iraqi capital on Tuesday, killing more than 50 people on the 10th anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion that ousted Saddam Hussein.

    A decade after the Bushies contrived their costly and bloody nation-building fiasco, a corrupt and unstable Iraq stands as a reminder of what an arrogant and reckless US regime can accomplish. Their clutching at flimsy pretexts as causae belli to incite widespread, prolonged human misery with a two trillion dollar price tag stands as the greatest foreign policy disaster in US history.

     
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    No Americans were killed so GOP/*********s have been denied their right to a Benghazi-like witchhunt ....
     
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    And, as history confirms, knew enough not to contrive a monumentally-costly invasion to attempt it.

    Most, despite unrelenting scare tactics by the Bushies - imminent "mushroom clouds", etc. - did not.

    No, there were other fraudulent pretexts in addition to their primary one - bogus propaganda about a nuclear programme, mobile biolabs, deliberate conflation with al Qaeda and their 9/11/01 crimes, etc.



    The Republican response of keeping their elder statesmen - the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. - out of sight in the hopes of keeping them out of mind is a far more promising strategy than blatantly distorting the facts and making pathetic excuses.
     
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    But do you understand how the Democrats will get us into the lukewarm “liberal” arts of war where we have to ask permission from the UN to put an end to it without surrender?

    "But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history." http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

    "Obama advanced a racist argument for attacks on Iran and Pakistan. Making a comparison between the 'Islamic world' and the Soviet Union, he argued that the religious outlook of Iranians and Pakistanis made them less prone to compromise and reason and more warlike.

    He said: 'With the Soviet Union, you did get the sense that they were operating on a model that we could comprehend in terms of, they don’t want to be blown up, we don’t want to be blown up, so you do game theory and calculate ways to contain. I think there are certain elements within the Islamic world right now that don’t make those same calculations.'” http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/oct2004/obam-o01.shtml

    "If you wanted to keep Saddam in power to suppress the scary Shiites, you have probably exceeded the limits and violated some verse of the Koran. Have a nice day!" (Me, 08-11-05, 01:00 PM)

    “Varney: Is it possible that America’s interests have, in fact, been well served by the war in Iraq? Let me explain that. We have taken the fight to the enemy. The enemy is divided completely. And the enemy is now killing itself, fighting each other. Is that not long term, in a way, in America’s strategic interests?
    Clark: Well, actually, I don’t think so. The ‘enemy’ so to speak, were the people that attacked us on 9/11. Saddam had really nothing to do directly with those people. He didn’t encourage the attack, he didn’t aid it. He wasn’t part of it, in fact they viewed Saddam as part of the enemy camp. So we attacked Afghanistan, we took out the government that supported the people that attacked us and then, in my view, in a strategic blunder, moved against Saddam Hussein. He was contained. Yes he was an unpleasant person. Yes he was a potential danger like every tyrant I guess is. But he couldn’t directly strike the United States and he was performing the function of a ‘cork in the bottle’ in the Persian Gulf containing the power of Iran. We removed him.” (Transcript of Stewart Varney interview of General Wesley Clark on Your World Cavuto, Fox News)
    http://musing-minds.com/2006/12/28/clark-saddam-unpleasant/

     
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    you mean... no American is going to be held accountable for what they have created.
    ... hiding for justice behind their massive army ...


    At least in the UK there is a price if you can peacefully make a citizen arrest on Blair. Because of that, he is unable to have a normal peacefull life without huge bodyguards. A hippy can pop up at any time if he leaves property. Go hippies.
     
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    Today will be a remembrance of neocon disappearence ... serious .... even Jebby-boy who has recently declared his brudder as the greatest president evar ... will disappear today ...
     
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    Yes, of course, they would just keep the potentially endless lukewarm “liberals” arts of war going and then ignore the calls and justifications for Jihad by the domestics, claiming that even after a response on 9/11 by Saddam’s proxy the Obamanation would still say, “Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States”:

    "* Iran –An Iranian newspaper quoted Minister Farrakhan as saying, 'God will destroy America by the hands of the Muslims....God will not give Japan or Europe the honor of bringing down the United States; this is an honor God will bestow upon Muslims.' The United States State Department described Mr. Farrakhan's trip to Iran, and his earlier trip to Libya, as 'shameful' and 'cavorting with dictators.'" http://www.adl.org/presrele/NatIsl_81/2686_81.asp

    September 15, 2001: "Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General, has accused the United States of committing "a crime against humanity" against the people of Iraq "that exceeds all others in its magnitude, cruelty and portent." Citing United Nations agency reports and his own on-site investigations, Clark charged in 1996 that the scarcity of food and medicine as a result ofsanctions against Iraq imposed by the United States since 1990, and US bombings of the country, had caused the deaths of more than a million people, including more than half a million children." http://www.radioislam.org/usa/farrakhan.htm


    September, 16th, 2001: "Whenever a nation becomes great and powerful by God’s Permission, as America has; whenever a nation becomes the undisputed ruler of the world, as America has, by Allah’s Permission; when a nation becomes the only remaining superpower, having the power to destroy other nations and people by the tens of thousands and millions, as Allah has permittedAmerica the power to do, and that nation then has a spiritual lapse and begins to sink into moral decline, the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) raises a messenger, but he raises that messenger from among the poor and the abject to guide and to warn the great and the powerful.

    Allah (God) knows that the powerful will not heed a warning coming from their ex-slave or from the weak or from the abject, so the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) then seizes that nation with distress and affliction, that it might humble itself.
    For only in humility can the proud and the powerful heed the Guidance of God, which is mercy and grace from Himself. Allah (God) used this tragedy, hopefully, to bring a great nation to Himself." (Louis Farrakhan) http://www.africawithin.com/farrakhan/farrakhan_response_911.htm
     
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    No. Americans are not buying it. If Bush had been restrained until the fraudulence of his pretexts had been exposed, hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives would have been saved, thousands of young Americans would not be dead, maimed, or disabled for life, two trillion dollars would not have been squandered, a million folks would not have had to flee their homes (including the eviscerated ancient Christians community,) Saddam would be long-gone anyway, and Iraq would very likely still be under the influence of neighbouring Shia-theocratic Iran. Would there be some other regime as corrupt as Maliki's in charge? Possibly.



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    The Jebster's having been a signatory to the neocons' Project for the New American Century with their explicit scheme to attack Iraq ranks right up their with his serious sibling liability - what the Dub would call "ay double-whammy. His running would bring the Iraq fiasco back into the headlines just when the GOP is desperately attempting to consign their disaster to oblivion.
     
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    I like this take on it, personally.
     
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    By what, more of this?

    “In the case of Iraq, for the last 10 years the U.S. and Britain have been devastating the civilian society. Madeleine Albright's famous statement about how maybe half a million children have died, and it's a high price but we're willing to pay it, that doesn't sound too good among people who think that maybe it matters if half a million children are killed by the U.S. and Britain. And meanwhile [the sanctions are] strengthening Saddam Hussein.” (On the Attacks on New York and Washington, Noam Chomsky interviewed by David Barsamian, International Socialist Review, Issue 20, November-December, 2001)

    The purpose of the United Nations is to remove threats to the peace, not create them until some dictator “falls away into the dustbin of history” passing his regime on to his diseased sons.

    Iraq has a chance to be better now, what they do with it is their problem.
     
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