Dying Vets' letter to Bush & Cheney ~ FU

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  1. mcpats

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    Everybody knows, or should know, that the US and UK used their claims that Iraq was making WMD's as a justification to go to war. Their claims are made up, and legally or not... morally they are in the "you're so dead wrong"-section. I don't see a problem to start a courtcase against the warmongers to see if they are legally wrong too. But so far, it is not done. The governments have placed them above the law and made them untouchable.



    as for:
    People in western armies, are dumb idiots. Sorry, but they are. They think they are serving their nation, are the knights in shiny armour. But they are not. They are serving interests that have nothing to do with protecting their country. And oh shure, its nice they got the leader of Al Qaida. But the western armies are mostly not busy fighting Al Qaida in Afghanistan.


    And so for this soldier having a misserable life:
    Dude.. karma right back at ya, for being part of making a huge massacre over nothing. And how is this not blaming others for your own stupidity for joining the institute that gets abused for geopolitical games for decades.
     
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    REPUBLICRAT Well-Known Member

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    George Bush should be incarcerated for what he did to our troops. He sent my cousin over there to attack a country that posed us no threat and he came home in a casket. I will never forgive Bush and many Americans feel the same way.
     
  3. Alwayssa

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    May his soul find peace and thank you for your service.

    That being said, i think this guy had issues and blamed politicians for is ill fortune. The questions I would ask him will be, "why did you join the army?" and "what doi you think war is?"

    The question of supporting the Iraqi War or not has long past. The US made mistakes. No doubt about it, but the problem is what were the alternatives. Since the UNSC was fractured and has been since 1995 on the problem with Iraqi Nuclear Weapon's program, in which Saddam Hussein has never fully cooperated with IAEA or the UNSC, there were only two possible alternatives: war or dissolution of looking for the Nuclear Weapons. And unfortunately, we had our "allies" to thank for Saddam's defiance, France and Germany.
     
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    You are a typical America hating lib.

    "Everyone" certainly does not agree that the claims of wmds were made up lies,

    We did not find any after the invasion.

    Maybe the Russians removed them or they went to Syria.

    Or maybe they were never there but I think Bush believed they were there and made his decision based on that information.

    As for your vile and disgusting comments about soldiers who serve their country all I can say it that I would expect nothing less from a spineless Euro lib who enjoys the freedoms that others fought and died for.
     
  5. mcpats

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    You're cousin was a henchman of the politicians that you accuse.
     
  6. RP12

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    Or maybe they never existed to begin with.......
     
  7. Mac-7

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    You'll have to excuse me for admitting that I don't know for sure.

    I never got issued my free lib crystal ball by the welfare state that allows me to see all and know all.
     
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    Iraq was not a "pre-emptive war"... it was a continuation after the 1991 armistice was violated. The war started when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Also, U.S. planes were shot at making the U.S. response anything but "pre-emptive".

    I feel really bad for this guy, but for the Huffington Post and Liberal propaganda arms to use him to attack their political rivals is pretty low. They are the same a - holes that posted picture after picture of coffins returning from war and keeping "death counts", but stopped immediately when Barack Obama took office. There is no intellectual honesty here.

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    I am not sure but I think those crystal balls are issues with welfare checks.... we will never know for sure.
     
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    One of the books in my Library is called "Iraqi Dossier." It had all the intelligence info for Iraqi WMD from all sources, including the UN. The book made no claims for or against the war. After reading the book, I made up my mind. But I can tell you that if I gave 100 of these books to people, about half will make the decision I made and half will make the opposite decision. The point is that there was evidence of WMD, but there was opposition in the UNSC to make that information fully disclosed in the UNSC because it would have hurt France and Germany's political and economic decsions in Iraq.
     
  10. RP12

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    I understand you need to rant about Liberals in every post you make but come on man. We had a 10 year war over something that might have never existed! Welfare state and Liberals has nothing to do with WMD or the lack of.
     
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    I think liberals who hated and distrusted the CIA during the 1980s had much to do with gutting the intelligence gathering capability of the agency which led to our lack of good information on Itaq.

    But you only want to wallow in criticism of Bush and conservatives.
     
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    My post history says otherwise. Your partisan bull(*)(*)(*)(*) blinds you.
     
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    I don't read all your posts.

    But when it comes to blaming bush and conservatives on this topic I can't see much difference you and the Euro slugs shouting "no blood for oil,"
     
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    Bush was President when we invaded Iraq correct? Bush was the one claiming they had WMD correct? Who the (*)(*)(*)(*) else would i blame Marvin the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Martian?
     
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    Its just such a huge laugh, that you enter some exceptionally wild conspiracy theory of accusing the Russians of removing the WMD's in the middle of the war of Iraq vs the US. And it's so obvious GWB lied about this. The UN had a looksy and didn't find anything before the war. It was all cast aside.

    The thruth is vile and disgusting that soldiers these days go to war for reasons that have nothing to do with protecting the homeland and are nothing but little peons being the henchmen. Them days the US entered a war to fight the nazi's are long gone and having nothing to do with it. That soldier that is about to die, he knows it... why it is that you do not is your own problem.

    Of course there was. The thing is to label how reliabel the information was and judge it as such. ... like them abosulte wild information that Iraq was buying nuclear material in Africa. That such things even made the news. That "information" was pure propaganda for the win to use against Iraq.
     
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    Even the Right NOW knows that the Iraq War was a debacle and pointless......you bring it up and they point to quotes by Democrats or the 29 votes for the war by Democrats....

    and try to convince people that "Democrats FORCED Bush to invade Iraq".


    But history will show Dubya and Cheney for what they were.
     
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    Not short at all, the middle east is one big cluster (*)(*)(*)(*) of disaster as we have learned. Intelligence is pointing to Syria using chemical weapons, are you suggesting we sit on our hands and let that happen? Should we also let Iran, North Korea or any other dictatorial despots freely acquire nuclear weapons? Or do we continue sitting on our hands.

    I can see now the entire middle east is a nightmare, and I remember clearly saddam's sons warning us of opening this can of worms. Mistakes were made no doubt, but now what should we do?
     
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    Reports differ on who used the weapons. Its going to look really bad if it was the "rebels" that we back. If we go to war with Syria because rebels used something is pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded.
     
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    Please don't speak for "the Right".

    We toppled a serious threat in the region and stopped Saddam from taking over the region and their oil, thus preventing a major change to our way of life here in the US. Due to his demise, we were able to remove our troops from Saudi Arabia thus eliminating a recruiting tactic Al Queda used to fuel terrorists hatred of us. Bush kept us safe, unlike Obama who has had several attacks here in the US, umm...I mean "acts of workplace violence" and "mental unstability". :rolleyes:

    The war could have gone smoother and we should analyze the tactics used to reduse casualties in the future. Don't presume the entire "Right" regrets it. Far from it.

    BTW, how's the Afgan war going for Obama? What are we even doing there? Can he define the mission? How many deaths there under Obama?
     
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    Yep, and the question is, when do you make that call? Could our intel have prevented 911? Who knows, but the fact that it happened does make decisions more complicated to move or not move to be tenuous at best. It is a complicated world, and humans are a self bred cancer causing our own demise. It is the way it is, and the way it has always been, sadly
     
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    Thats under the premise that Saddam ( our former ally) was going to invade SA and that SA couldnt have defended itself.
     
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    Indeed. This is all about, massacring 100.000's of people so people in the west remain to have comfy lifes.
    How on earth that is justifiable, is beyond me.

    kudo's to the man who ends the insanity that GWB started.


    that is indeed quiet a falacy
     
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    We were in SA to baby sit Saddam because of the Kuwait invasion. US Troops in SA means US troops on "Holy Land"....huge issue with Muslims, and recuriting tool for terrorists. This is what brought Saddam to the terrorism conversation...its the connection. It wasn't advertised, I would guess, because we probably didn't want it to seem like we were giving into terrorists, fueling them further.

    If that's not the case, why were troops removed from SA less than one week after Saddam was toppled?
     
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    It's just one piece to the puzzle. I don't mean extravagances...do you know what relies on oil? We can talk super basic, and think about what it might mean to pay $25/gal of gas all of a sudden. You think that won't lead to deaths? I don't think that is 100% why we went in, but it was certainly discussed.


    Now afganistan is "insanity"? That war was not started by us....how quickly we forget 9/11 (sad). After twice as many deaths in Afganistan in 3 1/2 years than Bush's 8, yeah, kudos indeed. BTW, are we out yet?
     
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    ???? Well, the claim was that he was attempting to buy Uranium in Africa and Ive seen nothing to indicate that he had not?
    And the 550 tons of Uranium removed from Iraq, likely all came from Africa.
     

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