No Child Left Behind

they can take kids. they cant make them lol

 

They do it all the time. Ever heard of surrogates/invitro fertilization? Gay men and women use it all the time with their own reproductive organs/biological sperm/ovum.

Also many straight couples adopt children. Are you going to laugh at them and mock them too for adopting a child that needs a loving home?

 

Adopting a child is one of the most difficult, heart-wrenching, selfless, generous and admirable things you can do for another person.

It's disgusting that you belittle it.

Obviously you don't know much of the adoption process. I do, and God bless anyone who has the heart and desire to do what it takes to go through that process.

 

Right? You would think the effort would be appreciated.

 

Apparently not, apparently all that matters is who popped out the baby, not who raised it. I mean just look at this scenario.

1. Two worthless drug-addicted abusive criminals end up having a child together. They neglect it, abuse it, feed it inadequately, give it no attention and ultimately have their child taken from them by child protective services.

2. Another same-sex couple decides to adopt that child and raise it as their own while doing everything in their power to give them a good life. They go through the struggle and expense of providing psychological and medical care necessary for the abused child who, by this point, may by suffering from any number of given conditions resulting from their abuse and neglect.

And guess which one of the above can marry? The first couple can marry, while the second couple cannot. What sense is there in this? Why should marriage be tied strictly to potential for procreation, rather than the reality of child-rearing? What is more important, popping out babies, or raising them into strong, healthy, happy and productive adults?

 

LOL Way to run away from the rest of my post.

Face it if you can't come up with a counter just admit you have no argument.

Attempts to avoid and redirect are see through.

 

gay men cant make kids with each other. gay women cant make kids with each other. i'll repeat myself... the only way to make kids is between a man + woman. period. scientific fact. end of story

and on the gay adoption. yes i will mock them. as of now the ratio of people looking to adopt vs kids up for adoption is 30 to 1. so having gay adoption doesnt change anything. since all people adopt are babies anyways. it wont change adoption rates. it just forces a kid to go into a gay home when he would have gone into a strait home otherwise. i believe that is criminal and completely unfair

 

while i do agree adoption is one of the best things a person can do. forcing kids to be adopted into gay homes, when otherwise they would be adopted by strait homes is criminal in my view. the life of a child is sacred. and to hurt it needlessly is criminal in my view and should be criminal for everyone to believe

 

What the hell are you talking about? Good lord, your whole reality is so completely warped it's scary. Where are kids being "forced" into gay homes?

 

It doesn't matter. If a woman is totally infertile she will use somebody else's ovum to make babies with her husband, if a man is totally sterile he will use someone else's sperm to make babies with his wife. Even though one parent isn't the biological parent they are still considered that child's mom or dad. When two parents adopt a child even though they are not biologically related they are still the parents of that child. When a woman has a child from another relationship and the father is not involved her new partner is free to adopt and be considered the father. This same instance applies to gay people. One uses their biological DNA to make a child with donated DNA and then that person's partner adopts the child and they raise it together.

The DNA is totally irrelevant. The people who step forward and accept parental responsibility over the child is all that matters and quite frankly since it is acceptable for straight people to do these things all the time I don't see why it's wrong for gay people to do so.

Also the fact that you mock gay parents for raising and having families of their own is extremely sad and very traumatizing to the children involved. If you continue to stigmatize their parents you will only cause more pain to the children as they will be mocked and tormented for having gay parents while they grow up. I don't know why you believe such bullying is acceptable.

How is it unfair to be placed into a loving home that wants you? Check out this wonderful family of 12 kids and two fathers.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20120726gay-dads-kids-family.html

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Do you have any real evidence that children adopted by gay parents are really traumatized? You continue to claim that they are but you have yet to share any real evidence of this.

 

thats the only explanation.... having gays adopt doesnt change adoption rates. the only thing it does do, it put kids into gay household when otherwise they would be in strait ones. so it is forceing kids into gay households needlessly

 

Hence single mothers? And orphans? Guess God forgot about them, huh...

 

It seems to me that the sexuality of the parents is just one of a multitude of considerations for superior and inferior qualities among households. We're not just comparing straight households to gay ones, we're comparing complete individuals with different careers, skills, financing, health concerns, time and personal qualities. What you seem to be doing is considering the sexuality to be of supreme importance above almost any other.... and why? Is the homosexuality of the parents THAT important and detrimental to the child? What evidence do you have of this? Why is it THAT much more important than any of the other considerations?

The qualification to be an adoptive parent should be based on a complete profile of the individuals, yet you are basing it on a singular characteristic without any evidence to back it up.

 

Actually many kids don't get adopted and spend their lives either between temporary foster parents or adoption homes. Increasing the pool of available parents by allowing gay couples to adopt is therefore a good thing - unless you want children to be "left behind" instead of being given a loving and usually above-average fiscally stable home?

If the fear is that these kids may be bullied or chastised for having gay parents, would you have told an interracial couple a century ago not to bring a "coloured" child into the world in case they were mocked for their background?

 

And the '30 prospective parents to one adoptable minor' sounds like some malarkey you pulled off a pro-life website. The statistics for those who remain in care homes and foster care long-term doesn't back that up.

 

if you could read and actually looked up information then you would realize that the # of parents looking to adopt vs kids up for adoption is 30 to 1. increasing that rate does not increase adoption, it only forces kids into gay households

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again the ratio is true, just people looking to adopt, gays or straits... want a young/baby to adopt. not a 10 year old or a 15 year old. which explains so many kids in foster homes at late ages.

 

Which I'm sure is a figure you can provide a citation for.

 

Unless you're aware of some scientific breakthrough I'm not, all children have a mother and a father. That's how it works, by definition. Congratulations on supporting the right to have something that every human throughout history has had. So brave.

As far as who raises them, your arbitrary ideas about "fairness" are less than meaningless. You can't show evidence that having 2 same sex parents raise a child is harmful to the child, increases his/her chances of being gay....you've got nothing. But it seems unfair - that has been noted, thanks.

 

Hypothetical here. If you were back as a child. and lets say you had a choice, a mother and a father or two dads or two moms... youre telling me you would choose two moms/dads? come on, you cant even bull(*)(*)(*)(*) yourself into believing that. its utter crap. and it is also evil to force an innocent kid into a gay household when they would be in a strait household otherwise. As I said earlier parents looking to adopt vs kids up for adoption is 40-to-1.

So whats your kick out of this? have some sick pleasure in sending kids to gay households to live as a walking verbal punching bag at school?(if not worse) and you dare call me unfair, how about you let all kids have true fairness.

 

As a child I think I would opt for the parents I had. I don't think their sex would enter into the equation considering I would be young enough not to have my perspective poisoned by people like you. You may think it's evil to allow a child to be raised by two dads but that doesn't mean that it's true. The fact is that there are no studies which show any harm to children of same sex parents and countless studies that show children doing as well as children of hetero parents. So whatever you think about gay couples isn't based in reality - you're just squeamish. But we shouldn't make decisions based on the squeamishness of one individual, even in absence of evidence. Considering the abundance of evidence which contradicts your beliefs, I choose to go with reality on this one.

 

It's evil to force a kid into a situation where you know they are going to get bullied and possibly lots of harm done to them when its easily avoidable and completely unnecessary. Pure evil that youd be willing to sacrifice kid's safety just to prove your irrelevant ideals.

 

What's pure evil is denying a child a loving home just because you think he or she's going to be bullied for being in said home.

Also it's a slippery slope. Shall we ban couples that have genetic traits that would be passed on to their offspring that might cause the child to be picked on later in life from having kids? For example this family.



Or how about we punish the people doing the bullying instead and look down on physical and emotional abuse received from their peers? Stop letting bullies win and start fighting the bullying. People should not be barred from giving children a loving and stable home just because you assume they will be bullied for it and assume that they would be unable to overcome the bullying even if they were.

 

If you increase the number of households who are allowed to adopt, that increases the number who will be willing to adopt those who are less adoptable... children with special needs, older children, and children from minority races.

From the American Academy of Pediatrics, which recently published a study on same-sex parents.

To repeat... more than half the kids Gay people adopt are special-needs and from minority races who have a hard time finding loving parents, and 25% are over the age of 3 when most adoptees want infants. And for some reason, people want to demonize this.

 

That same argument was made in regards to inter-racial marriage.

And we rejected it.

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RightToLife never addressed my post:

Originally Posted by RightToLife
I support the rights for all children to have Mother AND Father. and not two mothers or two fathers. It's not fair for a child to be brought up that way.

My response:
But not all children have a mother and a father. Do you want government to assign another parent?

What about children being raised by their grandparents- are you opposed to that?

What a married couple where the husband dies before the child is born- will she be required to get an abortion?

What about a young woman marrying an old man- should he be prevented from fathering a child because statistically he will not live to the child's adulthood?(think Tony Randall- if you haven't heard of him look him up)

I know too many people whose father or mother abused them as children to believe that parents are automatically perfect.

Basically under your plan, a drug addicted mother and father living on welfare with chronic diseases are preferable to two healthy lesbians with solid incomes, and a stable home. I don't get that way of thinking.

Children deserve good parents- sometimes they get a single mother or father, sometimes they get a loving grandparent- sometimes they get two dad's- but any loving, supportive combination is better than an abusive parent or parents.

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Originally Posted by RightToLife
its a god given and human right that every child grows up with a mother and a father...


Me:
Then why does God kill so many mothers and fathers?