Mirror Mirror > US Delusions Are Distancing Allies

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And that's how we perceive ourselves. Let's take a look at how our allies view us. I won't even discuss here how our enemies see us..

The point is that what we do here is like the ripple in the pond. Other countries are hit by the waves without any means to control them. Our influence is like a steamroller and this can cause resentments at a time critical to be courting our allies close. We are so self-absorbed in our gluttonies, fleshy deviances and petty bickering that we cannot see that our friends are standing by with their jaws on the ground. We never seem to see that how we set our policies is a picture frame around how the world views our base character. Not everyone is in support of "American progressives", nor are they in support of our "staunch conservatives". We have endless TV programs showing people stuffing their faces with excessive food, while our allies scramble to fill their larders to just make it by another week. More shows parade plastic-surgeoned & botoxed freaks we hold out as our "beloved icons" as other countries that espouse reduced vanity gaze on dumbfounded. We hoard our wealth and watch our fellows die from a lack of the most basic health care. We give more air time to promoting gay sex than we do to preventing HIV/AIDS in souring numbers among our youth. We criticize other countries for their lack of fiscal management while our previous leaders started unsustainable wars and the new guard prints more money to keep their campaign contributors happy. We complain about China's trade unfairness while we allow our industry to locate nearly all of our manufacturing jobs there....allowing trade secrets to easily be stolen.

We ceaslessly shove things in our mouths, the other end, smoke, drink and drug to cover the empty holes that stand in place of where a soul used to be. And we wonder why the room gets chilly when we stroll in all pompous and full of ourselves?

We need a reality check and quick. China's prediction will come true. You've got to hand it to the Chinese. They will stand and tell you how you will be defeated because they are right and they know they are. And nothing you say or do except a complete self-introspection will change their prediction. And they know we will never do that. So they know they are right.

And when I get excited, my little China girl says
"oh baby, just you shut your mouth"
She says,
"shhhhhhhhhhhhhh....."

Our little experiment is still a good one as long as we realize that "Freedom" doesn't equal blindness and excess. Freedom comes with personal responsiblity and reflection. That is a sign of a mature America.

 

Here's a list of some of our more important allies.

United Kingdom
Canada
Israel
Japan
Australia
New Zealand
Poland
Iraq
France
Germany
South Korea
Greenland
Italy

Countries usually don't stay "friends" for altruistic reasons. They stay friends for reason of commerce and wealth...and shared ideologies... It often escapes the mind but most of our allies are conservative socialists or quasi-socialists.

Some them in the last decade or so we have stepped on their toes or slapped them in the face. I would say the biggest "slap in the face" is our playing chicken with our own economy and refusing to stablize it with interim tax hikes for the 1%. Of course taxes will be lowered for the very rich...they always are when they buy the next administration. It's just that this administration right now, has the power for emergency action and if we don't get this Titanic turned around now, our allies may not be able to afford helping us, even if they authentically want to. Greece's recent consideration of getting aide from Russia in exchange for Russia to dock her war ships there [though it didn't happen] should be a sobering reminder of what our abuse of our allies may lead to. Gaining more stablity and wealth than we have, China and Russia may woo our former friends over to their way of thinking. After all, they have in common socialism, or quasi-socialism. Malignant capitalism and insane "freedom-gone-wild" are starting to turn off even the most adaptable of cultures.

We are basically the poster children for the seven deadly sins. Laugh all you want, but even secular citizens of socialist or quasi-socialist allies of ours can see that we are off our nut like a runaway horse with no reins, no bridle and no plan to come around to our senses in the foreseeable future. Every advertisement we throw out to the world that we are filled with insanity, hubris and indulgence, engaging in every impropriety and taboo known to mankind, is just shoving our friends further and further out the door...

Russia and China know this. And they are courting our former friends as I sit here typing this.

 

Thanks to our current POTUS we are the laughing stock of the world. We claim to be the greatest nation in the world and our kids rank 25 in education. We have spend billion in dollars and way to many lives in the Middle East and haven't won or changed a thing. Way to go all of you for sale or on the take. Remember that Obama wouldn';t give you the time of day if he couldn't buy your vote.

 

See, no, I knew this was coming. This ISN'T.... IS NOT ... a partisan-bickering thread. Did you not read the OP? Bush and Cheney are equally to blame alongside Obama and all the other jerks in the fringe extremes of our political spectrum. You think we won admirers sacking a sovereign nation [Iraq] under a deceptive ruse, while using torture against the Geneva Convention? You think other countries weren't thinking, [yes, even our allies] "jesus christ I'm glad they didn't decide to pick on us!"?

No, this is a big mess spawned not by this or that individual jackass. This is a collective-jackass endeavor that is going to be the death of this nation. Our forefathers never envisioned nor intended for "freedom" to mean "a blind and thoughtless, cruel & self-indugent bacchanal without end" That was the type of tyranny we sought to escape when we came here and fought for our independence.

 

Russia is not a US ally by any means, but they profess a strained "kindness". Still, their recent ban on US adoptions of their orphans can be googled. Every article I read said it was in retaliation for something the Obama administration did. Yet the russians are fully aware of our pending "gay marriage" hearings at the top level starting next week, projected last Fall. Last Fall was when the russians acted to begin the ban on US couples adopting their children.

And recently they've banned French adoptions as well. Here's why:

So I wonder if those bans are for the same reason? It would make sense.

And we have the whole of Europe reeling in economic turmoil over our nonchalance of our own economy tanking...and sending the ripples to countries that aren't as equipped as we to recoil from the shockwaves. While we advertise our lavish indulgent and unbridled lifestyles unabated in our TV programming. That has to sting.

The thread between these two points is that we are morally bankrupt, as well as literally. But because we have plenty of food and resources [and nuclear weapons, the most in the world] we flip other people, [even our friends and those who would be our friends if we would grow up and play fair], the middle finger...

 

They're not? That's impossible. I have been assured on this forum that our allies stick with us because of shared morality. And Russia absolutely despises the gay agenda. Therefore they must be allies.

 

Indeed Hussein Obama is alienating erstwhile allies.

 

Allied or not, they acted to protect their most vulnerable citizens from an occluded and dubious subculture accessing them. A subculture that has iconized a pedophile as its "civil rights leader"..

They did the correct thing. And they are not alone in this consideration. I'm not trying to make this another gay thread. I'm trying to get people to focus on ALL our unreflected excesses and hubris and how if you just for a minute take yourself out of your bubble and look at the US from foreign eyes, you might begin to see why we are having so much trouble and spending so much money, energy and time trying to keep countries calm and responsive to our commerce and dipolomacy. People think. They react. They have values we'd do well to examine, even if we don't initially agree with them. We aren't perfect and "always right" over here. Especially the economy thing. That is hitting even our friends right in the wallet. They're going to notice that and remember it when push comes to shove..

 

So Russia should be a US ally in your opinion?

 

Ideally it would make sense to get along with as many super powers [and lesser nations] as we can. Yes. It's cheaper that way for one. Imagine what we could do with all that "defense" [offense] money? Boggles the mind really...

 

Even the one's friendly to the Gay Agenda?

 

Our founding fathers agreed that our Republic, as the founders intended, could only survive and prosper with citizens of strong, moral bases. It's the morality and principles of a society that guide its success. We used to be seen as naive, overyly-optimistic bumpkins who thought everyone else was kind, honest, and considerate. That's how people with strong moral bases behave, for that's what they've been taught. That's not what most of our children are being taught anymore. Virtually everything our children see in their homes and in the media are self-centered, immoral, and simple-minded "heros" and "heroines". A nation is what its children are taught to be. American is failing.

 

I think a big part of the problem is we defer our wisdom to the younger generation. In the old days you were considered wet behind the ears until you demonstrated civility and restraint to your fellows. Now the rule of the day is "do what feels good, right now, in the moment and don't care how the ripple effect spreads out to hurt others". That is a poor message to send the rest of the world. We are in their eyes, even the most tolerant of them, like three year olds maturity wise.

I'd hate for an invasion without allies able [or willing?] to help us be our sobering wake up call to maturity...

 

It isn't an exaggeration to say the Flobots hit the nail on the head of exactly how the rest of the world has to see the US, the most immature nation with the biggest nuclear arsenal.

 

I thought NOTHING would top the theories of the "Gay Cabal's infiltration of the Catholic Church and the APA", but I was WRONG!

This thread's pathetic attempt of trying to ascribe our allies' frustration with America's domestic economic problems and conflicts as a result of the "Gay Agenda" truly signals the mental breakdown of the homophobe mind.

This level of absolutely pathetic desperation is truly astonishing to witness.

 

Now who is obsessed with gay stuff?...

...lol.... Sorry if you can't accept that the overdone gay agenda, stuffing one's face with fatty foods, endless plastic surgery, careless economics and not being one's brother's keeper [healthcare] are all signs of a depraved and diseased society that focuses on "self" first and cares not for "other". That doesn't make a good impression.

 

Were these the same people that had no problem with the idea that human beings could be legally owned as property? I do not think such people are in any position to define morality for anyone.

America is dramatically wealthier, more advanced, and militarily stronger than it was under the Founding Fathers. We dwarf the greatest empires they could have known in their time. We seem to have been doing just fine without their guidance so far.

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The vast majority of your posts on this forum are gay themed. I do not remember the last time I saw a thread from you that was not related to homosexuality in some way.

 

You must be quite young. Your comment above reflects a severe lack of historical knowledge. That's usually a sign of our poor education system these days. Some of the founders supported slavery and some did not. Some of the founders who owned slaves recognized that slavery was wrong. Knowing "right" from "wrong" is a good start in any human being. Many grandsons of those founders fought and died to end slavery in our Civil War; those who did so, obviously held strong moral beliefs in the wrongness of slavery.

When our founders were right on 95% of the issues, and wrong on the balance, you criticize them. On the other hand, modern-day leftists are wrong 95% of the time, and you seem to think that's more admirable? That's wrong-think!

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Indeed, America is dramatically wealthier, more advanced in many areas, and has a strong military. Those achievements are the results of hard work, the protections of our Constitution, Capitalism, and the moral base of our citizenry. The leftists in power now are doing their best to ensure we become less moral, much poorer, less advanced, less intelligent, and much weaker militarily. As for your contention that our nation is doing just fine without the principles of our founders, you're quite wrong. Our nation became great because of those principles! Our nation is on the down-turn without those principles.

 

No, not true...well not for the center anyway. We seek to become independent from foreign oil, not from some utopian dream but from a standpoint of national and economic security and viability into the future. We love this country but those on the fringe edges are stealing it away from us increment by increment and making all of us look bad to the world that we need, like it or not, to like us...

Manifest Destiny was something dreamed up after the Constitution was ratified. True it did bring "sea to shining sea" with Westward Expansion, but we kept going...right into foreign markets using slaves there instead...and into Vietnam for rubber and tea interests...and into Iraq illegally, trying to steal their oil. We need to realize when enough is enough and when to stop stepping on toes. We need to play fair, trade fair and recognize other people's right to sovereignty. Can you imagine what we would think if another country behaved a fraction of how outlandish we have on our turf? Oh, wait, let me guess..."If they did that we'd nuke 'em!"...ah the little three year old shakes his impudent fat fist...

 

But don't cut defense spending right?

 

Pimptight, this is my post last page #10

I'm not a neocon or a left wingnut. I'm in the center where the sane people live..

 

well its a little late now to realize that all that personal freedom requires responsibility. The soviets and the americans both made the same mistake. they truly thought that they had discovered " the new man"! soviet society collapsed because "from each according to his abilities" ignores greed and laziness and American society is collapsing because their brand of freedom assumed responsibility would be automatic!

 

Good points and on a smaller scale we can see what political puritan thinking is doing to our country with the fringes tearing the middle apart ever wider. I've always thought a hybrid of capitalism and socialism was the way to go with democracy determining the parameters of how that balance is struck.

 

I was wondering why I was agreeing with everything you said.

One phrase grabbed my attention in that op - "poor America... it can't help being the land of psychopathic mayhem".

I sort of get that same impression - a lot. But I'm hoping that it's just my own limited and no-doubt warped perspective. It's easy to get that impression here at PF. And the news media seems to reinforce it. Have we really, as a nation, become predominately loony tunes??? Could there be a "silent majority" of the sane out there somewhere hiding from the spotlights? I'm starting to doubt it.

 

and the world watches in amazement as the most economically successful society in modern history commits suicide