Pro-choicers, you better be right that a fetus is not a "person"

Pro-choicers, you better be right that a fetus is not a "person" because you are taking an awful risk.

For one thing, if you're wrong, then you're allowing murder to be legal.

And if you're wrong, then every woman who has an abortion is violating the Fifth Commandment, "Thou shalt not kill."

And all these women are in a state or mortal sin as soon as they have an abortion.

And since abortion has been legal for 40 years now, millions of women who have had abortions are now dead and burning in hell.

So, I mean, you better be right.

 

Blackrook said,

They don't care period. Everything about abortion turns their position on. Its not human...not a person....not living....its nothing.

They would never believe anyone or thing that would say the unborn is anything more than a blob. They don't care.......don't....nada....care.

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so how do you feel about your own choices then Church Mouse, is this more of a do what I say.. not what I do situation?

would much rather give a potential mother the choice then force my choice on her


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Everyone is taking the same risk. We're all basically guessing what is "right" and we could all be wrong.

Murder is unlawful killing - it can't be legal by definition. Whether abortion (sometimes or always) breaches the fifth commandment is a matter of interpretation, just as it is for killing in self defence, killing in war, legal executions, voluntary euthanasia, eating meat or using bug-spray.

Of course, we all take the same risk by not following any of the countless laws and rules of the various religions in the world (including all the ones we don't know about or haven't even conceived of). It's possible that the real god considers not permitting abortion a sin. That's why I personally prefer to focus on the specific practical and rational aspects of any given situation in determining the best manner in which to act.

 

With what consequences?

That is an oxymoron, murder, by definition, is not legal.

Actually the 5th commandment is "Honor your father and mother", so if you are lecturing you might want to be accurate and so you may have wanted to reference the 6th commandment. That one says "Do not murder".

Only in the Catholic faith, not everyone believes that.

Again that is your interpretation and that is not as cut and dried as you think.

I guess because it would make you feel better.

 

Fortunately.......we ARE right.

 

If you are convinced that abortion kills a human being, what are you doing to reduce the abortion rate?

 

Probably pushing abstinence, because we all know how effective it is (that was sarcasm).

 

"""Actually the 5th commandment is "Honor your father and mother", so if you are lecturing you might want to be accurate and so you may have wanted to reference the 6th commandment. That one says "Do not murder". """"


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All we can do is act responsibly ourselves, and try to educate people that you and yours are lying to them about abortion.

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Abstinence is a disease preventative measure as much as a pregnancy preventative measure.
On OBVIOUS truth that pro promiscuity folks refuse to acknowledge.

 

There is much more that can be done to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, and though this does not prevent all abortion, it most certainly lessens the chances dramatically. Unfortunately, many try to prevent this obvious and effective measure due to religious dogma....then complain that the issue persists.

Abstinence has been tried, and failed miserably and though it would have an impact on both STD and pregnancy rates....trying to tell humans to not have sex, is rather naive.

"A new study from the Guttmacher Institute unsurprisingly finds that greater knowledge about contraceptive services is directly correlated to a decrease in young adults&#8217; risky sexual behavior. However, after quizzing a nationally representative sample of 1,800 sexually active Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 on their basic knowledge of contraception methods, Guttmacher reports that &#8220;more than half of young men and a quarter of young women received low scores on contraceptive knowledge, and six in 10 underestimated the effectiveness of oral contraceptives.&#8221; The study ultimately concluded:

Programs to increase young adults&#8217; knowledge about contraceptive methods and use are urgently needed. Given the demonstrated link between method knowledge and contraceptive behaviors, such programs may be useful in addressing risky behavior in this population.

Pervasive misinformation about contraceptives &#8212; often leading to higher rates of unintended pregnancies &#8212; is one of the serious consequences of abstinence-only education programs. Sex education programs that lack comprehensive sexuality information prevent young adults from fully educating themselves about their reproductive health, their contraceptive options, and the best sexual practices to avoid potentially risky behavior. "
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05/14/482665/birth-control-misinformed/?mobile=nc

 

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Guttmacher is an abortion promotion site, not credible.

Sure sex education needs to be taught, with an emphasis on how bad casual sex can be for one's health!

 

So you said give a "potential mother" the choice.......There is nothing potential about a woman that has found out she is pregnant. If she is pregnant...she has a living human being inside her body. As for choice....then your choice would include allowing late term abortions. Or would you, based on your morality deny her the right to her body and decisions concerning it?

 

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If you do not mind a quick question.................................

How can one compassionately and logically state that causing absolute and proven pain and damage to another human being to prevent the possible damage to an unproven certainly non-adult creature that is debated to be a human being is a good idea?

 

Begging the question

 

How can one compassionately and logically state that causing absolute and proven pain and damage to another human being to prevent the possible damage to an unproven certainly non-adult creature that is debated to be a human being is a good idea?

 

And exactly what risk am I taking?

Murder is a legal term and cannot be anything other than illegal.

It's the 6th commandment and it says "Thou shalt not murder", abortion isn't murder.

They are only in a "state or[sic] mortal sin" according to your religious values, guess what not everyone adheres to your particular brand of religion.

again only in your version of religious values.

In my opinion we are.

amazing isn't it pro-lifers keep telling us that their campaign has little or nothing to do with religion, and yet how many times do we see items such as "it's a sin" or "you have no morals" .. Pro-life is and always has been firmly rooted in religion.

 

and this has to do with abortion in what way?

 

Do try to read the thread. Thank you!
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Well it is obvious that a fetus is a human being. There is no logical argument to the contrary. When there is a conflict of rights, who do you favor? The one whose personal decision created the situation and has the most control, or the defenseless other person involved?

 

I have known people who admit that fetuses are human beings, but don't care, they still want abortion to be legal.

So ultimately, every argument against killing human beings is rooted in religion.

If there is no God, murder is not wrong. Period.

The Nazis knew that, and so did the Communists.

 

I did, so what does STD's have to do with abortion?
The abstinence item you replied to is referring to its effect on reducing abortions, as this is a thread and forum about that subject what have STD's got to with it?

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I respect those people over the liars who refuse to admit that obvious fact and the further fact that abortion is homicide.

Since prohibition of murder spans the beliefs of many religions, I think it is based more on a basic human instinct concerning societal mores and what should and should not be socially acceptable.

 

Abortion is an "awful risk" because of imaginary consequences lol? Also, that's the thing about Christianity that's hard to understand. Killing mortal fetuses is bad, but burning immortal souls for eternity isn't? (*)(*)(*)(*) poor logic on god's part lmao.