Okay, how about this..."pro-lifers" explain how an abortion

The closest they come is a slim majority poll showing "Most people call themselves pro-life" (and that poll may be out of date, as that "overturn Roe" poll clearly shows a BIG majority want Roe to be kept in place, regardless of how they "label themselves".).

But Whaler is being deliberately or ignorantly FALSE in his claim that "most people" agree with his pro-Abortion Prohibition agenda. If such a poll existed...the "pro-lifers" would be touting it all day....it doesn't.

So the question becomes, if it's deliberate....why does he feel the need to LIE about his "support" among most Americans? Unless the truth works against his fantasy?

 

That is all your posts deserve as a response.

 

Whaler, will you "pro-lifers" ban pineapple when you ban abortion? (See my new OP)

 

Prove Ben Franklin never said it! You can't because you have no logic! No fact no extrapolation of fact to back it up.

Can you seriously not see what a jackass you look like?

In the real world, criminal court only requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. No absolute proof, so you are once again WRONG!

I am not scrambling in the least. I have proven all i need to prove. It is you who are throwing a childish hissy fit.

 

I believe it is called interpreting the facts to meet the agenda . or as I prefer to call it delusional

 

Prove I'm not the ghost of Ronald Reagan blogging from beyond the grave.

Thing is...you don't even CARE if your "quote" of Frankin's is false. Just like you don't care that facts and logic go against your "pro-life" agenda.

 

Delusional pretty much sums it up. Some, maybe many of them ACTUALLY believe they can not only get an "Abortion Prohibition" enacted....but make it "work".

Or one could argue "religious" (even when not in the traditional sense)...because they require only faith, not logic or reason.

To them "An Abortion Prohibition will work...simple as that"....to QUESTION that premise is the "work of the Devil" "sewing seeds of doubt in the Righteous".

 

and yet you have not shown one single way it could be proven beyond reasonable doubt, all you give is wishy washy Will-o'-the-wisp assertions

 

LOL! You want someone to prove a dead guy DIDN'T say something but you say THEY have no logic!!?!!!

LOL!!!

 

Just pointing out the absurdity of your posts. That was pulled directly from your prior drivvel.

 

Well just because you refuse to acknowledge the obvious, that doesn't change the fact that I have proven my point. Abortion should be outlawed.

 

I never mentioned Franklin....confused?

"""Prove Ben Franklin never said it! You can't because you have no logic! No fact no extrapolation of fact to back it up.

Can you seriously not see what a jackass you look like? """"

 

When it is a fact then you can crow, until then it's just your delusions.

Every single thing you have posted as "proof" has something that stands against it, you just refuse to accept that your "proof" is basically your own opinion and nothing else.
You obviously have a problem facing the inadequacies of your argument.

Take a look at this it may help you, though I feel you are so far gone it won't - http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-Impossible-People

 

Whaler, how does "Prove it's not true"....about a quote YOU are claiming to Ben Franlin "prove" the absurdity of anything...except yourself????

It's not a major issue....but it shows a pattern. Where you are presented with "truth" (facts, historical or not, logic)...and you eschew it, deny it, etc.

So consider this....how STRONG is your position....if dishonesty and denial are needed to prop it up?

 

Perhaps the prudent course of action would be along the lines of my signature.

and I know Twain said this .. lol

 

It's interesting the "connection" between his "An abortion Prohbition would work" claims....and him using a FALSE "quote" as a signature line....and not CARING that it was false.

 

Apparently a lot of people can't get that quote right let alone attribute it to the correct person. lol

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/poli...tocqueville-did-not-call-2012-election/58839/

 

Grokmaster also uses it...though I've informed HIM that the quote is false. And like Whaler he keeps using it regardless. It's like the phoney Thomas Jefferson "libertarian" quotes...one in particular has been linked to an anti-New Deal Republican of the 1940s. (There are actual "libertarian"ish quotes by Jefferson...but there are also quotes by him endorsing things libertarians and rightwingers would hate...like publicly-funded education.)

Truth is secondary or even irrelevant to some.

 

Clever way of bashing a person and not his position...so you won't get an infraction. Think I will go look up some quotes that do the same.

 

You seem over-concerned with personal attacks lately churchmouse, have you considered just reporting the attacks and not commenting about them?

Hey want to know something? I saw someone discussing you personally on the forum about a month ago and I reported that person for talking about you without you around to defend yourself. I didn't post around announcing to the person of their mistake but quietly reported it and let the mods take care of it, that way it didn't drag the thread off topic and it didn't stir up unnecessary drama. I find that just quietly reporting the issue takes care of it faster and prevents the thread from continuing off topic and leaving the mods with more comments to delete/hide.

You might consider this just to help the mods out a little better.

 

Everything you believe you believe by faith. So don't exclude yourself from those you make pot shots at. I am not a God believer just by faith. I have weighed the evidence around me and what I see leads me to believe that all that we know could not have just.......materialized from NOTHING. Something does not come from NOTHING. It would take a lot of faith to believe that. While we can not prove Gods existence well enough for you....you on the other hand can not exclude the possibility of Gods existence. That would be impossible. It would take ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE UNIVERSE to prove that. I doubt you possess what you need...to make your case 100%. As for faith...I don't have enough to be an atheist.

"One who claims to be a skeptic of one set of beliefs is actually a true believer in another set of beliefs." Phillip E. Johnson

I do know this...just from observations. If God does exist then there is meaning and purpose to life. There clearly is a right and wrong way to live. On the flip side...if there is no God then basically life really means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Since there is no accountability or purpose...there can't be a right or wrong way to live. It simply does not really matter. That is what we see here......the unborn does not matter....killing something that is human does not matter.

You brought religion into this and I rarely do...for all the most obvious reasons. While religion does require faith...it is not just about faith. As I said...one weighs the evidence and the facts. Every religion on earth makes truth statement and claims..INCLUDING ATHEISM. And many truth claims can be investigated...through history and science. But even that will only take us so far...because of our limited knowledge. It is impossible to know everything about a particular topic....in this context God. It takes faith to believe God does not exist. Which conclusion is more reasonable? God or no God??

Skeptics...atheists have faith...so don't pretend you don't. The real reality is this....no amount of evidence will convince you and others that there is a God....that abortion is wrong.....not because the scientific evidence is not there...Whats in the way? YOU.

 

1. churchmouse, NOT collecting butterflies is not a "hobby". Neither is atheism a "faith".

2. On my question here (or more pointedly on my newer OP)?....

how are you going to ban pineapple?

 

Some Anti-Choicers swear religion has nothing to do with the Anti-Choice position on abortion...thank you once again for proving them wrong.
Oh, and there ARE some atheists who are anti-Choice, not many because they tend to think more than religious folks.....

 

Whaler tried that remember? Tried to "hint" that there were "many" "pro-life atheist groups".....but couldn't list them or their membership versus those who oppose choice based on religion.

Now, here's CM blatently admitting her opposition to abortion rights is religious aswell as claiming "pro-abort" status for ALL atheists.....in contradiction of her ally.

 

Gee, I wonder why that isn't debated among Anti-Choicers???