UKIP on the march in English council elections

I'm not interested in conspiracy theories. Farage in no way attempted to portray this as a rift between two countries, but it was clearly a rift between him and the protestors.

So if UKIP would seal the 'independence' vote, why didn't they just let him speak? These protestors do want the vote to go their way, don't they? And the other unionist parties don't want to work with Farage; they know he'd bring up issues they hide away from the public.

It was only a mistake in the sense that he thought he could have a reasonable exchange of views. He didn't lose it. It was an attempt to put UKIP's position to the people of Scotland and a small baying, bigotted mob would not let him speak. Far from giving him a free ride anywhere (haven't you seen all the anti-UKIP stories in the press?) its larger rivals, with the help of the press, have stifled the debate about UKIP's policies. Even Salmond himself was at it, in trying to reduce it to Farage's supposed racism. It's a really pathetic abuse of power.

If ALL parties policies were properly scrutinised the country might not be in the dreadful state it's in.

 

what is this then?

Tamaora

he was suggesting the reason the people protested was because they hated the English and there is no evidence of this indeed quite the opposite. He further claimed to be hated by the interviewer on BBC Scotland - doing just the same as those nasty students according to him.

The problem is that you, like Farage know nothing of Scottish Politics. The people who I said had said no to Farage joining the Better Together Campaign are pro Unionists. Obviously they do not want people to be encouraged into Independence by contact with 'up and coming' in England, UKIP. Just in case you still have not got in, these are people wanting Union not Independence.

They were united in their dislike of UKIP's policies.

Here is what they have to say

http://radicalindependence.org/index.php/ric-statement-farages-hatred-not-welcome-in-scotland/

No they are Scottish. There was even talk as to whether the Conservatives would be enough to swing it to Independence. Obviously a far right Party who has, what is it a 0.23% base in Scotland and speaks as Farage did, is, as has been said before, a gift for Independence.

Farage made a fool of himself. He claimed also to be hated when questioned on his knowledge of politics in Scotland by the BBC and then ran away......and only 100 students managed all that. Wow!

 

So what?

And I'm dismayed that only two were arrested. The whole lot of them should have been arrested for anti-English racism and bigotry. After all, these dimwits, who were supposedly protesting against Farage's supposed racism and bigotry, were shouting at him: "GO BACK TO ENGLAND".

Just imagine the uproar if they shouted to a Muslim: "GO BACK TO PAKISTAN".

To be honest, I blame this huge upswell of anti-English bigotry in Scotland over the last decade on that horrendous film Braveheart.

An English party? What part of the term "United Kingdom Independence Party" do these idiots not understand?

You're talking absolute tripe. The media in England, led by the disgraceful BBC, has done nothing but spread smears about UKIP and have tried to make them look, to the public, like a party of loons. Even the Daily Mail has been at it. Thankfully the English public saw through these smears.

These left-wing, racist Scottish nationalist thugs were surrounding Mr Farage with their faces contorted, wrongly calling him a "facist" and a "Nazi" and, despite being supposedly against racism, shouted at him to "GO BACK TO ENGLAND" - a refrain which many English people in Scotland often hear. Because of all this you cannot blame Mr Farage for being a little bit angry.

Imagine the reaction in Scotland had Alex Salmond travelled to London and a group of Englishmen surrounded him, called him a Nazi and a fascist and told him to go back to Scotland.

 

Despite what the SNP say, the SNP do have links with Radical Independence, the hard-left Scottish nationalist group of which these dimwits were a part.

At the launch of the Yes Scotland campaign for the independence referendum in Glasgow on January 16th, Nicola Sturgeon, deputy first minister of Scotland, shared a platform with Cat Boyd, of Radical Independence.

It wouldn't surprise me, therefore, that the SNP told members of Radical Independence to go out and initimidate Mr Farage in this way just because he has opposing views to the Scottish nationalists. They are like the SNP's hired thugs, who are sent out to drown out anyone who disagrees with their Scottish nationalist and left-wing views. It's a disgraceful attack on democracy and free speech in Scotland.

 

The protestors were shouting to Mr Farage: "Go back to England!" Which is a bit ironic considering they were protesting against Mr Farage's supposed racism.

He was, quite rightly, disgusted by the way that interviewer treated him on radio. It's typical of the BBC. They would never treat a member of the Labour Party or the SNP in the way they treated Mr Farage.

Show us the evidence of this.

And if Mr Farage HAS learned anything of Scottish politics he has learned that it is of a thuggish nature which seeks to drown out free speech by sending out a group of braindead thugs to intimidate and verbally abuse any politician which does not subscribe to left-wing views. Mr Farage came to Scotland to promote the UKIP candidate, Otto Inglis, in the Aberdeen Donside by-election. Yet he was now allowed to properly do so, and he was not allowed to properly put his views across to the people of Scotland, because he was intimated by a group of left-wing thugs who are allied to the SNP. This is an absolute affront to Scottish democracy.

I think that there are a lot of Scots who would want to support UKIP were UKIP actually allowed to go and campaign on Scottish soil without being intimidated by Salmond's thugs. Unfortunately, it will be hard now for UKIP to get its message across to the Scottish people when there is, currently, no proper democracy and freedom of speech in Scotland.

Just because they dislike UKIP's policies does not mean that they should surround Mr Farage and verbally abuse and intimidate him. It was absolutely disgraceful and they were nothing more than bigoted thugs. They are supposedly members of a political group. If they dislike UKIP's policies so much they should show that in a normal, political way, not surround Mr Farage and verbally abuse him. They shamed Scotland in front of the world.

These Radical Independence morons are so braindead that they cannot see the irony in them supposedly campaigning against racism (even though Mr Farage, who is married to a German, is no racist) whilst chanting to Mr Farage: "GO BACK TO ENGLAND!"

If Radical Independence say that racism has no place in Scotland then their first priority should be to stamp out the growing number of racist incidents against English people - and the odd Irish catholic - in Scotland every year.

Have you got any evidence whatsoever that UKIP are Far Right?

So Farage was surrounded by a braying left-wing mob whose intent was to drown out free speech and views which differ from their own in Scotland yet it was FARAGE who made a fool of himself?

Yeah, if you say so.

He was asked by the disgraceful BBC radio presenter about what mandate UKIP had in Scotland, as though he thought that a UK political party which does not have any Scottish MPs or MSPs or councillors should not be allowed to go on the campaign trail in Scotland, which is absolutely ludicrous.

Mr Farage replied that he could have been asked the same question in England a few years ago when they also had no MPs or councillors there, but he still would not have been met with the same level of hatred and bigotry which he received in Scotland.

 

GERALD WARNER: Yes, Scottish Nationalism DOES have an ugly face


By Gerald Warner
17 May 2013
Daily Mail

Gerald Warner is a Glasgow-based author and political commentator


The mobbing of Nigel Farage by extreme left nationalists in Edinburgh has exposed to the rest of Britain what the UKIP leader calls the 'ugly face' of Scottish separatism


The mobbing of Nigel Farage by extreme left nationalists in Edinburgh has exposed to the rest of Britain what the UKIP leader calls the ‘ugly face’ of Scottish separatism.

Even though members of hard-left activist groups are seldom the brightest bulbs on the chandelier, the fact they could abuse Farage as a ‘racist’ while simultaneously shouting at him to ‘Go back to England’ – without any conscious irony – says it all.

While it should be emphasised that there are many thousands of decent Scots who have embraced the separatist agenda without harbouring any animosity towards English people, it is an inescapable fact that a significant element within the nationalist movement is motivated by anti-English sentiment.

This bigotry was aggravated in the 1990s by the film Braveheart which, though historical hokum, provoked an emotional response among many young people that has not evaporated even today.

The aggressive ‘Cybernats’ – embittered Scottish nationalists who pour out bile on the internet and in the Twittersphere – are the spearhead of a movement that, in any other ethnic context, would be called racist.

A Scottish Government report five months ago recorded a 23 per cent increase in the number of white British people targeted as victims of racial crime.

The figures were not broken down into the component nations of the UK, but few of them are likely to have been Welsh. Even allowing for anti-Irish sentiment (which is also fairly prevalent in Scottish society), it is clear that anti-English abuse is on the rise.

Nor is this shameful prejudice confined to the Agitprop rentamob that attacked Mr Farage. Last December, Scottish writer Alasdair Gray provoked outrage when he denounced English ‘colonists’ in the Scottish arts world.

One of those ‘colonists’, Vicky Featherstone, who had presided over the establishment of the National Theatre of Scotland and promoted successful plays such as Black Watch, revealed when she left to take up a new post at the Royal Court Theatre that, throughout her time in Scotland, anti-English bullying had made her feel ‘paralysed’ artistically.

The passions aroused by the rise of the SNP and the drawn-out ‘neverendum’ campaign on independence have had an unhealthy effect on Scottish society.

Although the mob that threatened Mr Farage and broke up his press conference was not drawn from the SNP, Alex Salmond’s party cannot plausibly disown these thugs, from an extreme left group known as Radical Independence. At the launch of the Yes Scotland campaign for the independence referendum in Glasgow on January 16, Nicola Sturgeon, deputy first minister of Scotland, shared a platform with Cat Boyd, of Radical Independence, along with other assorted leftists.

Words do not come more weasel than the terms in which Alex Salmond responded to the question of whether he condemned the intimidation of Mr Farage.


Words do not come more weasel than the terms in which Alex Salmond responded to the question of whether he condemned the intimidation of Mr Farage

Words do not come more weasel than the terms in which Alex Salmond responded to the question of whether he condemned the intimidation of Mr Farage

Despite two arrests and damning video footage, the first minister said: ‘If there’s been any law-breaking – and that’s yet to be established – then obviously we condemn that, as we always do in Scotland, but you’ve got to get things into context. A student demonstration isn’t the Dreyfus trial.’

Or, in other words, boys will be boys, no harm done if the leader of a UK political party is prevented from communicating with the Scottish public and if his attempts at civilised debate are drowned out by moronic chants of ‘Racist Nazi scum’.

As for Mr Farage and UKIP, they should understand that the majority of Scots will give them a fair hearing. In a local council by-election in Lanarkshire this year, UKIP beat the Liberal Democrats back into fifth place.

After the frenzy of the Scottish independence referendum, where the polls consistently forecast the nationalists will be heavily defeated, Scottish politics will realign.

With both the SNP and the Lib Dems in decline, there could then be opportunities for UKIP.

In particular, disillusioned Conservative voters could rally to UKIP, appalled that David Cameron, in alliance with Labour and the Lib Dems, is planning to give quasi-independence – so-called ‘Devo Plus’ – to the Scottish parliament.

If that is to happen, UKIP will have to abandon its present proposal to hand all tax-raising powers to Holyrood.

If it does, it could yet be a player in Scotland where, contrary to recent appearances, democracy is not dead.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326377/

 

To the extent that this is worth a reply.

The Daily Mail, well who'd have thought. About time you started getting some facts into your arsenal. The demonstration had nothing to do with the SNP. The protest had several English participants, one of whom was an organiser. An excellent example of the inability for honesty from UKIP.

Let's have a look at this author you have found. Ah Gerald Warner the man who suggests we stand by neo-fascist Hungary

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on...er-we-should-fight-hungary-s-corner-1-2903975

Fascism in Hungary

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/opinion/sunday/europes-new-fascists.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.daveshellenberger.com/hungary-march-2013-part-ii-emerging-neofascism

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4376399,00.html


http://blogs.the-american-interest....n-fascism-update-anti-semitic-rally-budapest/


Hmmmmm, not much more to be said I would say.

So near the surface. You surprised even me.

 

I'm more inclined to trust the Daily Mail than any other paper.

You obviously haven't read anything I wrote.

These demonstrators were a part of Radical Independence, which has links to the SNP. They even shared a platform during the launch of the SNP's independence campaign.

I don't care that this protest had "several" English protestors. It was still a disgraceful piece of thuggery and anti-English bigotry.

Why don't you actually try READING the article before saying such silly things? "Neo-fascist Hungary?" You obviously haven't got a clue. To say that Hungary's Prime Minister and ruling party are "neo-fascist" is stretching it a little bit. Or do you consider anyone to the right of the SNP as being "neo-fascist"?

And Mr Warner was referring to the fact that the EU seems to have a vendetta against Hungary, its freedoms and its values because those values are incompatible with the ambitions of the expanding dictatorship in Brussels.

 

It's getting bit dated now, but you could predict the Daily Heil's headline for the next day with this device.

http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

It's not a news source it's a bad fascist joke. (You can see the attraction for the American right)

 

It has to be written in a language that liberals are able to understand

 

I think this is quite funny from a UKIP guy about the idiots who harangued Mr Farage in Scotland:

 

That's exactly the kind of racist crap that UKIP/BNP/EDL are famed for.

 

I'm a bit baffled as to why a drunken 'English' nationalist fantatic has to impose himself on other people at all. Have you no manners? Keep him in your own lounge bars, bullyboys, do.

 

I suppose it's revenge for the anti-English racist bigotry that Mr Farage had to endure in Edinburgh.

Or is it okay for the Scots to be racist but not the English?

 

As a leader of a UK political party Mr Farage should have the right to campaign anywhere in the UK - even a place like Scotland, which is renowned for its thuggery - without having to be confronted by football hooligan-like yobs just because he has different political views than him. Who are these protestors to tell Mr Farage and his party that they have no right to campaign in Scotland?

The Scots have got it wrong if they think that the racist, anti-democratic treatment of a UK politician in Edinburgh was looked on favourably by the rest of the world. Here's what an Aussie has to say on the matter on another discussion forum:


the clockmaker:
As an Australian, I do have to say that I have loved the following dichotomy, which is on full display here
'Scottish national populism, yay, don't you dare say the wrong thing in a Scottish pub'
'English populism boooooo, they should shut up'


Reply to the above post:

Vegosiux:
And situation reversed in an English pub, I suppose. I think it's a location thing. I mean, I can hound you out of my house for any reason. It's my house, you being there isn't your right, it's a privilege I grant or revoke at my own discretion. Conversely, you can do the same with me in your house.

So, if you're an outsider in a location and hold principles in opposition to the general mood of the population of that location, the amount of (*)(*)(*)(*) and the size of the fan go up exponentially with how big of a player on the board you are.

Oh and I don't think either side is right on this one, because they're both just saying the other should just shut up and doesn't deserve to be listened to. Hell, some of us were more mature than that when we were 6 and playing in a sandbox.

Also, "freedom of speech" doesn't apply here, it was not the doing of the Scottish government.

Reply to the above post:

the clockmaker:
See the thing is, to me, and, not insignificantly, to UK law, it is the same (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) house. A tiny, tiny four bedroom place with a bunch of passive aggressive tenants who simply cannot get along despite having lived in the house together somewhat peacefully for several hundred years. (except for the Irish, but that is a whole other can of worms). However, my point was less about location and more about the fact that whenever English populism emerges it is scorned and hated, whereas Scottish populism is lauded.

Consider, had a politician that sleekit (a Scottish poster who supports the Edinburgh protestors) admired been driven out of England for his pro-Scottish views, would he be so forgiving of this sort of mob-imposed silence?

clockmaker replying to sleekit:
just because you can get a mob of your mates together does not make you the voice of the people.

sleekit replying to the above:
neither does 0.28% of the vote (UKIPs vote share in the last elections in Scotland just 2 years ago).

i mean ffs the people of Edinburgh elected a guy in a penguin suit to the city council and all Farage and his party could manage was 0.28% of the overall vote and not a single elected official, at any level, in the entire country.

frankly he got more respect than he deserved to begin with...and he managed to (*)(*)(*)(*) that up by trying to leverage racist sectarianism.

Clockmaker replying to the above
So it is okay to silence people so long as they are unpopular? And I note that you ignored my other two points re:would you be okay with it if the other side did it to you? and why are you okay with Scottish Populism, but not English

 

Why should he have any such right? He is an imperialist ********, and ought to be kept where he belongs. He is NOT a UK politician, obviously. Where do you get that weird idea? He is an Englisher boot-boy.

 

Wrong! UKIP has an MEP in Wales and an MLA in Northern Ireland.

I don't know what your idea of an 'imperialist' is, but if you seriously think Farage is one, yours isn't the same as any rational person's. And he has the same right to free speech as anyone else however much his opponents hate him for it.

 

Because the last time I checked, the UK is supposed to be a democracy. There's something terribly wrong with democracy and the right to freedom of speech in Scotland when someone is prevented from putting across his views to the Scottish people just because a group of left wing thugs disagree with his views, as though they think they are talking on behalf of the Scottish people as a whole.

Show me the evidence.

So any politician who's English is not a UK politician? Okay, then. If you say so. Imagine the uproar had a group of Englishmen surrounded Gordon Brown, verbally intimidated him and told him to (*)(*)(*)(*) off back to Scotland.

I'm starting to wonder what dire straits the education system must be in in the "Celtic" nations when they start telling the rest of the world, in all seriousness, that a politician who's English is not a UK politician and should not be campaigning in Scotland, even though he's the head of a UK political party.

I also sense a bit of anti-English racism in your posts. Just like those Scottish thugs who were calling Farage a "racist" before telling him to "go back to England" I think all sense of irony is completely lost on you.

 

I know Iolo from one or two other discussion forums. And I can tell you right now that he's not a rational person. He's Welsh.

 

What's the big shock. Most Scots are Marxist, fist shaking at the heavens ne'er do wells. If they're so pro immigration then maybe they can have half of ours after they leave the UK?

 

That's because nobody votes in those except the White Settlers and their dogs.

 

He is a Nazi who wants to restore the tory Westminster dictatorship, only on a nastier, more racist basis, obviously. There is no such country as England except on a map - just a lot of bullies centred on London who long to use anything to spite the world for seeing them as they are. The vast majority in those areas are pleasant but rotted by years of tugging their forelocks to bullying pigs.

 

I can't believe my thread on the Islamic terrorist attack in Woolwich has been deleted.

Why is that?

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Take your silly ranting elswhere. You're not making much sense.

 

What makes sense to UKIP, kid, is a whip and a jackboot. Go home and learn to BREATHE in SLOWLY.

 

Yeah.

The self-righteous Scots are oh-so-in-favour-of-immigration that, compared to England, Scotland has hardly any immigrants at all and is homogenously white. So in actualy fact the Scots have hardly welcomed any immigrants at all.

It's also because of that reason that the Scots - and the Welsh, too - seem less inclined to vote for anti-immigration parties like UKIP than the English are. Being in almost completely white countries with hardly any immigrants they just do not have the same problems that a huge ammount of immigration causes that we have in England. Not for the oh-so-in-favour-of-immigration Scots and Welsh the problems of Islamic ghettos in their countries.