UKIP on the march in English council elections

Why do you keep referring to UKIP as "far right" and Farage as "fascist"? They are nothing of the sort. I cannot see what's far right and fascist about UKIP.

I don't give a flying fig what this Mr O'Hare thinks. He's wrong. Wanting to cut immigration does not make you "far right". If it does then millions of people in Britain right now are far right. And we know what the British people think of those morons who refer to anyone who thinks immigration should be cut as "far right bigots". One major reason why Labour lost the 2010 election was because that Scottish idiot Gordon Brown was overheard calling an elderly lady in Rochdale "that bigoted woman" just because she asked him in the street what his party were going to do to cut immigration. The British people suddenly realised what the Labour Party - who had a dreadful record on immigration, letting in hundreds of thousands of immigrants without any thought for the strain it puts on public services - REALLY thought about those people who wanted immigration cut, so Labour were kicked out of office. And needless to say that lady, who had voted Labour for decades, didn't vote for them in 2010.


The British public didn't take too kindly to Gordon Brown calling an elderly Labour supporter "that bigoted woman" just because she asked him what his party are going to do to cut immigration during the 2010 General Election campaign.

And he bangs on about "Scotland welcoming immigrants" whilst at the same time him and his thugs were shouting to Mr Farage "Go back to England!" - a refrain many English people have become used to hearing in Scotland.

And he's wrong when he says that Scotland "welcomes immigrants", because it doesn't. Compared to England - which DOES welcome immigrants - Scotland is almost homogenously white and immigrant-free.

Nothing but a bunch of far right thugs. I hope they don't air their odious, xenophobic views in England.

Those many people - even women and children - who have been attacked by racist thugs in Scotland just because they are English will disagree with that. There is a lot of anti-English bigotry in Scotland at the moment and I for one wouldn't feel say there.

It's that the same "racist thug" who's married to a German?

I doubt those protestors represent the views of a majority of Scots, though. They're out of touch.

 

Are they not? I'm sure that'll come as a surprise to EDL members. They've obviously had the wrong end of the stick for most of their lives.

I think UKIP's reality is already known. They want a freeze on immigration and want us out of the EU. Why else do you think they are so popular?

 

It should be clear by now, anyone that doesnt fully support the Marxists multi cult and mass immigration are fascists/ far right. See my sig as to why.

 

Bottom line is that the Tories need to collapse in a bad way at the next election and UKIP need to appeal to a wider range of people in order for us to get a genuinely conservative government here in the UK. A party that ethnic minorities (ironically Muslims would be the most likely to vote for a genuinely culturally and moral conservative party) will vote for. I think this is the reason the powers that be are so desperate to brand UKIP with the dreaded race tag.

 

The SNP are in power in Scotland, a country with a population of just 5 million.

UKIP have MUCH more potential voters than the SNP, so if you think of it that way it should only be a matter of time before the first UKIP MP is elected.

UKIP got more votes than the Greens in the 2010 General Election, yet UKIP still have no MPs and the Greens were elected their first ever MP (the then leader Caroline Lucas, for Brighton Pavilion). This is due to the current voting system favouring left-wing parties.

 

Nazis have no nationality, obviously - they use this nuttiness of the mugs to serve international Capitalism, as you know. UKIP are as popular as the bad eggs we would like to throw at Cameron and co, that's all.

 

Not the hopeless UKIP = Nazi argument again, surely?

You seem to be blind to UKIP's growing popularity!

Paul Nuttall, UKIP deputy leader and MEP for the North West of England, speaking about the Labour party's abandonment of its traditional supporters ...

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You think these nutters are Liberals, perhaps? And they ain't popular - it's just that the other gangs are such crap, as you know. If you don't like it here, go to heaven!

 

UKIP are 'libertarians' about stuff that matters to me. And they are growing in popularity if recent election results and opinion polls are anything to go by.

 

Well they aren't, obviously - everyone is sick of the established scumbags and the richmen's press is supporting these weirdoes since they have no new ideas whatever and are no danger. Incidentally, when I was talking about Nazis I was talking about the 'English' Defence League, or whatever the National Front is calling itself nowadays. Capitalism is not challenged enough to need fascists, so comic turns will do for now, like the 'popular' (with drunken journalists) UKIP.

 

The National Front calls itself the National Front nowadays.

I don't know how you are managing to get confused between the EDL and the National Front. They are two different groups.

 

They have the same haircuts and lack of brains, I expect.

 

No. These aren't left-wing groups. They are right-wing groups.

 

If they know which hand is which, perhaps. They are, essentially, bosses' bumsuckers.

 

Of course they [UKIP] are, obviously. The public no longer has any influence worth much over anything pro-EU governments do because those pro-EU governments are legally obliged to follow policies decided in Brussels. Why else do you think they have become so statist and have so few ideological differences now? They can certainly flout the rules, but that's what the European Courts of Justice are for ... to bring them back into line if the European Commission so chooses.

And you were not talking about UKIP when you brought Nazis up. You just slipped 'UKIP' into the comment without bothering to qualify it at all. Cute.

Capitalism isn't challenged enough, I agree, but it won't be seriously challenged by any pro-EU party for obvious reasons. The EU is a rampantly capitalist concept with a few scraps thrown to keep socialists happy. Still, Farage has done more to challenge its more rampant tendencies than any pro-EU politician has.

The recent handwringing over companies like Google and Amazon 'avoiding' their taxes is a case in point. These companies can set up anywhere in the EU for tax purposes and still do business across the bloc. That's the EU for you. And the bank bailouts ... they couldn't have happened without the express permission of the European Commission.

So until the left sorts itself out with a decent opposition party, there won't be the sort of challenge you want. In the meantime we'll have to make do with Bob Crow who makes a fair attempt at opposition but is nevertheless doing very nicely for himself and good luck to him! Even taking his nest-lining into account I have more respect for him than most in politics today.

 

The EU-controlled BBC constantly making out UKIP are a load of "little Englanders" is highly pathetic. The Blair and Cameron parties have strangely never even bothered considering why perfectly reasonable people are suddenly joining no-hopers like UKIP or bigots like the BNP.

 

Try telling UKIP they are "no-hopers".

I bet the Scots once said that of the SNP...

 

No problem. For the average well-meaning mug, what else is there left that their masters approve?

 

I never though UKIP were Nazis - just politically illiterate English nationalists: I wish we could find some literate ones! You talk some sense - not much, but too much to get mixed up with that gang of opportunists.

 

OK, care to tell me what you think I'm wrong about?

 

About wanting to force your dominance on the UK as a whole, on supposing there is, as yet, an 'English' nation, on seeing its enemy as the EU rather than the US and in trusting to the quacking richmen's press - for a start.

 

Strawman arguments. I've never wanted to force ANYTHING on Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. I don't know what has made you think I do! Nor do I think there's any such thing as an 'English' nation in any meaningful sense and I don't recall every saying anything which could lead you to believe otherwise.

And nor do I think the EU or the US are an enemy and I'd no more want to be run by the US than I do the EU. It is the EU which may legally dictate UK government policies whatever this, or future, parliaments think. We are not legally bound in any way to do what the US wishes.

I don't understand why you think I 'quack' to 'rich men's press' either. The press is no friend of mine.

 

Well. let's be clear - there is nothing 'British' about the movement you favour, and you want to go back to the dominance of the Westminster flabs over us all, including those of us who are bored with the bullies. Do you deny that? Any patriotic movement has to have an 'enemy', and yours in the EU, because your masters' media teach you so. It is the Yanks who actually tell your favoured flabs what to do, as you must know,. Who cares what grovellers are 'legally' bound to do? They obey their masters, as well you know. Heil Obama!

The UKIP never says anything to offend the pressmasters, as you know. Come ON!

 

Sorry, Iolo, but let's be clear - you're being ridiculously patronising. What qualifies you to patronise anyone, anyway? Nothing I've seen.

I favour British politicians deciding British policies. How is that NOT 'British'? However, I have no objection whatsoever to Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland opting for EU membership (or independence from the EU and/or Westminster) if that's what the people who live in those parts of the UK want. See no 'bullying' or 'dominance' in sight, ok?

I have no master. Haven't you noticed the media want to stay in the EU, though they might pointlessly prattle on about 'renegotiation'? The second point you do not appear to have accounted for is that I don't favour the 'flabs' in power and haven't done for many years and these 'flabs' choose to support the US, but they are legally bound to support the EU.

You seem to hate the current crop of politicians in Westminster as much as I do, (albeit from a different perspective) but you don't care what they are legally bound to do? That's crazy! What if a party promises what you think are the right things, but because they are legally bound to follow EU policies, they cannot honour their promises? You can't hope to have the policies you want as an EU member. (I don't know why you've put legally in inverted commas, what do you think the EU treaties are about? Candy floss?!)

Perhaps you should find out about the EU's Common Foreign and Security policy. See if you care that the UK will be legally bound to that!

What are you talking about? I'm not interested in UKIP offending anyone. I want an honest political debate and the press is not helping.

 

I favour our own politicians deciding our own future, and want your snouts out of it. The 'English' are a mythical boss-class way of excluding others - the ordinary people in the East have always used 'England', as you know, to mean 'Britain' in an offensive, exclusive way. You obey those who own the media who obey the big American capitalists, as you know. In normal language those are your masters, though we are usually too genteel to say so, and obviously they are just building up this 'Europe' nonsense to keep your minds off your falling wages - your American masters will see to it you stay in the EU, because it suits their book. You want a discussion that won't question the realities of exploitation, racism and colonial war: it won't work. Political discussion inevitably drifts back to experienced reality.