Progressive Ideology Destroys Everything It Touches

And everyone knows that no one will learn anything about being productive in the absence of a central authority dictating what we should and should not learn. Without political elites managing our educational processes and protocols, we would be utterly lost....

 

You have to do something to teach people. Yeah, I know it isn't 'perfectly' ideal... but we are dealing with the practicalities of things, not only 'ideas'.

 

All your arguments are just vague generalizations with no logic or evidence to support them.

Because without political elites to manage us, we would never learn anything about being productive, right? Free people are just too stupid and helpless to learn of their own volition...

 

You might believe that to be so. Even so, I've said what I wanted to be said.

Now, if you have your views and I have mine... that's the way it has to be.

Peace.

 

Sure, participation in the market is non-optional, but the goal is to deal with with a negative externality/tragedy of the commons issue. This is a legitimate role for governments to address, really no different than the states role in establishing property rights and enforcing them.

I don't agree, they certainly don't mind having the state's hand in the cookie jar, but most folks in that camp still want people to be able to transact freely, maybe not the degree of freedom that you and I think ought to be, but certainly not zero.

 

I think this discussion would go more smoothly if we defined progressivism better. There was a split in the Progressive Movement in the early 1900s between the Roosevelt (Theodore, not Franklin Delano) Progressives and the Wilsonian Progressives. Ethereal, you are complaining about the Wilsonian Progressives. The Roosevelt Progressives are manifest in the Green Party and individuals like Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich, both Ron Paul allies (Kucinich himself a sitting member of the Board of Directors for Ron Paul's Institute).

 

Ah. So you think a thread about Progressive vs. Conservative political views is math. Yes this would explain much about your posts.

Seriously, only whackjobs think that Progressives are to blame for everything. Only whackjobs think Conservatives are to blame for everything. It's that simple.

 

I'm not a conservative. In fact, I never mentioned conservatism. Please stop fabricating.

 

The last time libertarians were in charge Thomas Jefferson was president, so I think it's safe to say that the guys in charge are the ones to blame, ergo, yes, progressives are to blame. They've held the Congress for an eternity now so our laws are the results of progressives, not libertarians. Own the blame.

 

Well, considering it was invented by the likes of Republican Teddy Roosevelt and others of his party maybe we shouldn't be too shocked, assuming that the claim made here by the OP is true.

 

Forty years of teaching people has not worked. Not in the least. People learn by doing.

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Progressivism doesn't run down party lines, it is an ideology.

 

Well that much is true for today. But it started out as a Republican ideal when that party had many intelligent thinking people in it. Today it is overrun with haters and traitors who want to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the majority and whose warped views are totally lacking in logic and common sense.

 

I don't believe it is "progressivism" that is the problem, but having to deal with alleged conservatives that brings about such cognitive dissonance in public policy choices.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-of-Obama-s-Accomplishments-Don-t-Convince-Me

George W. Bush:

1. Increased the budget for the Dept. of Education
2. Designated three huge new marine preserve
3. Cut taxes on the poor
4. Cut taxes on the middle class
5. Increased money for Medicare
6. Signed McCain-Feingold into law
7. Increased aid to Africa
8. Steered us through the aftermath of 9/11
9. Rebounded from the post-9/11 recession
10. Kept interest rates low, helping lower-income borrowers
11. Did more than any president before him to measure, track, and invest in the achievement of black and Latino children.
12. Advocated the importance of human dignity and freedom from repression
13. Increased spending on Federal Government programs by 68%
14. Increased help for rural farmers
15. Increased government spending on healthcare 44%
16. Increased spending on education by 47%
17. Helped seniors pay for prescription drugs
18. Never claimed the president has the power to assassinate American Citizens without any judicial review
19. Teamed up with Ted Kennedy on No Child Left Behind
20. More than doubled funding for poor schools

...for the rest of the list follow the link.

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All conservatives do is prevent the progressive agenda from running full steam ahead.

 

Still, they can be encouraged to learn something outside of their box. It has worked on me and I've seen it work on others.

I realize that I won't see everything fixed/changed in 'my' lifetime.

 

By sacrificing the end to the means, contrary to the dictates of "plain reason and legal axioms", it seems.

 

This can not be stressed enough. Both of today's major parties in the US (Democratic AND Republicans) are authoritarian because of their Progressive ideologies. Funny to watch, becasue the Democratic and Progressives on this board are in denial that this is thier commonality with Republicans and Republicans on this board are in denial that they support a progressive party.

 

Bootlickers have a persecution complex. Before the Holocaust, they used to justify their cowardly worship of the rich by blaming the JEWS!!! if anything went wrong in their Neverneverland of Class Supremacy. Now it's the LIBRULS!!! or PERGRESSIPS!!! and the GUBMINT!!!

 

Progressive societies are the most successful.

Progressive countries have the highest standard of living.

Progressive states in the US have lower teen pregnancies, longer life spans, lower crime rates, higher household and personal incomes, and are safer, healthier and happier.

 

Progressives are not liberals. They are authoritarian twits who subsidize wall street while pretending to fight for the little guy.

 

You misunderstand what "bootlicker" means, therefore everything else you said was stupid.

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That's coincidental. The honest answer is that white former colonial empires have the highest standard of living because they are still living up the residuals of exploitation.

 

The whole specious spectrum was invented by Heirheads, who are the only ones with leisure enough to design such a persuasive cognitive dissonance. No one in the media, whatever puppet role he plays along the spectrum, brings up the cancer of hereditary wealth, position, and influence. Our self-appointed cult leaders, whatever sect you imagine them to be, are authoritarian because their Daddies gave them a "born to rule" attitude. The answers are in what is never talked about, but Netwits take their cue from whatever the media bring up as a focus of concentration. We need eyeglasses to clarify this blurred vision that is presented to us as the way things are.

 

Incorrect. The Progressivism of Teddy Roosevelt is greatly different from the Progressivism of Woodrow Wilson. It's the Wilsonian faction that Ethereal is excoriating.

 

Yes, classical progressivism, also known as Roosevelt Progressivism. Wilsonian/modern progressivism is a completely different animal.

 

Think of these places as the radioactive nuclear waste that gets left behind to fuel the powermad white progressive elite's engine of social change and "fundamental transformation".