very HATEFULL Confederate flags removed from veterans’ graves in Clover

There are not a whole lot of differences between flying the Mexian flag and flying the Confederate flag. Both flags represent a country that fought a war with the United Stats over political ideaologies on land that falls w/in it's current borders.

 

My point is that you have no point. I think you need a vacation.

 

All true, if shaded in favor of the position of the Confederacy. The fact remains that the Southern elite that pushed the secession were seceding on account of the fact they wanted to continue owning human beings and that is what history and Americans mostly remember them for. Viewed in that light, a modern showing of the Confederate flag (outside of a historical reenactment) definitely brings with it the baggage of racism.

 

the graves are where Confederate soldiers are buried. If the cemetery has rules stating that no flags can be placed by the markers then OK. Otherwise, whether it's a flag from the old USSR, the Mexican flag or Confederate flag etc then it should be allowed to fly.

 

Good luck passing a law to stop those idiots from doing whatever the heck they want.

The main problem with the battle flag is it represents slavery and hatred of blacks. That is why Georgia took it off their flag. I have no problem trying to be sensitive to the feelings of a group of people who's ancestors were dragged here forcibly and forced into generations of slavery. Their feelings matter, and should matter to other races as well.

 

I was born a Yankee too. The Confederate Stars and Bars banner was always the side of the enemy when I was growing up. Now that I am an old man my views about the Stars and Bars have changed.

The Star Spangled Banner and the Stars and Bars are historically both the banners of human slavery. The Star Spangled Banner is also the flag of human genocide historically.

I loved the Stars and Stripes until I realized that the USA had been taken away from me. With the loss of that connection I abandoned the myth about the Stars and Stripes and saw the flag in all of its historical ugliness.

I have come to see the Stars and Bars as the flag of dissent against those who now control the USA. I have come to respect the Stars and Bars. The Stars and Stripes is barred from my home.

 

Right, but you have a point. I think you need a job.

 

LOL! And that has what to do with the topic?

 

then obviously you do not understand the Constitution

 

What I find ironic, is that it seems like the people that claim the Confederate Stars & Bars represent racism are the same people that believe that the US Stars & Bars is just a piece of cloth fit for burning.

 

What a crybaby thread.

Graves are vandalized regularly. Tokens of affection, flowers, flags taken, headstones knocked down or graffiti, cemetery workers see it all regularly.

But I guess it only matters and is significant if it is confederate soldiers ' graves affected. In many cemeteries in the South, blacks and black veterans (even the ones who fought for the South) weren't even allowed to be buried in the same cemetery as the veterans you are crying over losing a toy flag. Try that on for size as something that is "hateful"!

Some people should get over themselves. Your trivial annoyances (like losing Chinese made toy flags) is not the end of your freedom.

 

Funny how few Germans want the Nazi flag on their cemetaries?

 

My boys and I used to go to raise the Stars and Stripes every national holiday. Now the Stars and Stripes doesn't fly on my street.

 

Very true the Southern elite did want to keep slavery. They need the help and owning slaves saved money. But there was so much more to it for the average Southerner, who didn't own lage farms or owned slaves. It was the taxes that the government was putting on imported goods that was hurting the average Southerner. The North want to sell more to the South, but their prices were much higher.so Southerners bought much of their products from abroad.The North refused to take off those tariffs. and it really hurt the average Southerner, as there was little manufacturing that paid anything and most Southerners had limited incomes. Much like we hear so many Liberals complaining about today of low pay and high prices. Cheaper Chinese goods coming in. Except back then, it came mostly from England and France. So if you look at conditions today, you can pretty much see what the average Southerner was going through.

With most of the immigrants coming in and settling in the North, the power in Washington had quickly switch to the North. They didn't look at the problems the South had, or didn't care. Those were the main reasons for the war. But all that is remembered is slavery. It was much more than that.

 

I would bet that the "average Southerners" who were slaves felt that slavery was the number ONE issue.

Its quite amusing that, even 150 years later, today's "proud Confederate" Southerners still do not give ONE TINY BIT of consideration for the the slaves as "Southerners",or even as human beings.

 

Truly ironic isn't it but par for the course in liberal land. Certain things only have meaning whenever a liberal group proclaims they do. Any others not of their mindset are inconsequential opinions deemed of no value. Crucifix in a jar of urine and no one should dare be upset. Libs only want rights and freedom for themselves. Everyone else is their slave. democrats haven't changed much since the ol days of slavery they just lie about their true agenda now.

 

Actually you don't. The US Constitution did not support slavery. That despicable violation of human rights was perpetrated at the State level. The USC also did not support secession. The Articles of Confederation also did not support slavery, and many of the founding fathers wrote against slavery. The Declaration of Independence also did not approve slavery, and in fact said "all men are created equal". If the Constitution was adhered to, there would have been no secession; and therefore no need for a goober redneck battle flag.

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Jack Napier wants one. I imagine one or two more on this website do as well.

 

Not many requests for these either.

 

You seem to think slavery and racism was solely in the South. People who live in diverse regions generally don't accuse other people of racism.

http://www.slavenorth.com/exclusion.htm

Fascinating reading. Some didn't even allow free blacks to live near them. Many places did not allow blacks to own land. They required them to work on roads. "Emancipate them all you want, but don't send them over here." Still seems that way sometimes. I know if I was racist, I would certainly move north.

 

Oh, no, racism and slavery could be all over the place.

But in CURRENT times, the people who are PROUD of it, BOAST of it, and WISH to commit treason for the RETURN of it are mostly in the South. Although Idaho does pretty good too.

 

So in your opinion the only honest people live in the South? Northerners are also racist but hide it? Interesting.

Without looking at statistics I feel its safe to say Black Men are more prone to being murdered in the blue North. A rather interesting factoid. Hidden racism at work?

 

Actually it did. There is just no other way to read the 1808 and fugitive slave clauses, even though care was taken to make that support as understated as possible.

 

Not true. Sure there are some that still look down on Blacks in the South. But that's also true with some people in the North. Before knocking the South as nothing but a bunch of Black hating slave owners, you might consider this.

Yes, they are our founding fathers and they are highly regarded with their accomplishments in building the foundation for our government and it’s laws. But these guys certainly weren’t perfect, eight of our first ten Presidents all were slave owners. Starting with our very first President George Washington.

Our second President and his son were the only two to not believe in slavery. John Adams and his son, John Quincy Adams were the only two out of the first ten Presidents that didn’t have slaves. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison actually still had slaves while they were President. James Monroe and Andrew Jackson also had slaves at the White House during their presidency.

 

Okay, you didn't learn American history in school, and you didn't learn spelling.

All that aside, NOBODY has a right to descrate someone else's grave until they've already filled their own.

Except for Ted Kennedy....anyone that has to take a leak should find his gravestone and water it.

 

You don't need an IQ of 130 to know there is a hell of a difference of the KKK flying the Confederate flag and putting it on the graves of Confederate soldiers.