The cost of casually sacrificing freedom.

What if that guy had gone into the bathroom and set off his bomb? You guys aren't looking at the whole picture.

 

Do you think if they really wanted you they wouldn't do it law or no law? If they did, they couldn't use it as evidence.

 

The government said today that no American would have their conversations listened to without a warrant. Good enough for you?

 

The US federal government has been sacrificing liberties since the start of the progressive movement. The current administration has more in common Khrushchev's Soviet Union than with the US founders. Except maybe that Khrushchev actually worked for a living prior to his tenure as First Secretary of the Communist Party.

 

If the Republicans are smart, they'll run on this issue. They may get a lot of flack since Bush passed it in the first place, but that was also a long time ago now.

They could use this as soon as 2014, too.

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Sure isn't good enough for me.

 

The have the "law" on their side now with PA and NDAA. They could label you a terrorist right now take you away from your family have a tribunal somewhere and off you go. Its ok though you can tell them you didnt do anything wrong i'm sure that would make your family feel better.

 

remember Carnivore, given the name cause it's eats though all our private information over the net, do you think the Bush admin really let ms off easy or made a deal with them, remember that, the DOJ had then caught with their pants down, yet they let them off? Many countries use Linux because of this very reason, sadly many were more then ready to give up these freedoms after 911, we warned people that once you give that power to the government it will be almost impossible to ever take it away

wrote your congress critters ask them to pass a bill addressing this, my bet is they will not do it


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No i want some sort of policy set forth that if they do this again there will be legal ramifications. We need some way to go after these (*)(*)(*)(*)*****. Words have no meaning when they are uttered by most of our Politicians.

 

No. They used to say that the Patriot Act would only be used on foreigners and for foreign terrorists and now LEOs are using it and the DHS uses it to investigate Americas that the SPLC has designated as potential domestic terrorists.

 

You might want to clue him in to the fact that under the MIAC report he is a potential domestic terrorist.

 

Amen, Bush told us that before, there is no bite in the bark, nothing to stop them

make it a felony....

[video=youtube;ZAvFMuZPwWA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAvFMuZPwWA[/video]

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Well, Obama lied his whole way into office, why believe him now?

 

I don't believe him now. I don't believe 99.5% of them now.

 

I guess we'll just have to watch what we say on our cell phones.I sure wouldn't want getting caught saying something bad.

 

Careful what you say on Facebook as well. Or and what you search for on Google. Or what video clips you watch on Youtube or hell what you say here. Great country eh? All for our safety my ass.

 

And lets not forget Obama was against the provision in the NDAA that went against American Citizens until it was shown that he insisted it be in it but when that came out he *promised* he wouldnt use it /wink wink.

When will realize the letter before the name is meaningless both parties are the same. Any person they trot for the next election that has support from either parties leadership is going to be bought and paid for.

 

I expect it's to protect the powers that be. The more they deceive and control us, the more they fear us, and so the more they deceive and control us, and so on.

 

Power corrupts.. Its that simple. Its why when this country was founded we had a system of checks and balances were we put people in power that represented us and served us.
Its not that way now. They dont represent us they want to dominate us. No longer are they viewed as public servants now they are "Officials"

 

That is true. Balence is the key. I wanted my vote to be for someone that had a chance to win. I like some libertarian things, but there are some I do not. Liberty and freedom and the constitution should be the most important thing to every one who votes. We are a world power, that is a fact, and we have responsability to other nations both economically and militarily. The problem is that we do not exercise our higher principles in doing so. We are free people, and we have forgotten that.

 

Well, I did not want to say that we should kick all Islamo's out of our country and barr all Islamo's from comeing here ever. It was, however, implied. Islam is the problem every where, and pretending that they are not the enemy of every one every where is a huge assed mistake.

 

The problem with legislating powers to the government have always remained the same. The majority of the citizens trusted Bush with that power, maybe not happy about it but not overly concerned.
Now we have Obama who has repeatedly proven he cannot be trusted wielding that same power. How can new legislation be abused should always be the first debate.

 

Dude, I don't recall ever agreeing with you so intensely on something. I am happy to say I agree with you 100%.

Excellent post.

Oh and yes, that includes the part about the Bush administration in 2001 and the damage thereafter. Sadly, partisans from both sides seem to conveniently forget the disturbing complicity of both major parties when it comes to this issue.

 

National Review today has a bit about what the NSA is doing is Constitutional. We just don't trust the people doing it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...e-no-clear-constitutional-violations-john-yoo

What bothers me about all of this intelligence gathering is, we have all this stuff. Someone has to analyze it. Why bother? In Boston, we ignored advice from Russia and let two terrorists go on a murder spree. Happily, I'm not the only one to notice. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350505/no-copbad-cop-mark-steyn

And yes, I lost 2 High School Alum and a relatively close neighbor in 9/11.

I don't think the NSA is involved in extra Constitutional actions. I just think they're wasting their time gathering all this info when we are ignoring what is right in front of our faces.

 

They also used to say the IRS was an impartial, non-political entity....
and that freedom of the press was paramount to a free people and state.