Conservatives! Forget Obama, sell us your "plan"!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by NothingSacred, May 30, 2013.

  1. MisterMet

    MisterMet New Member Past Donor

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    Because we are individual Americans that don't want to be ruled. We're not interested in your plan to make our lives perfect if we will just give you some of our freedoms.

    " Personally, I'd rather DO SOMETHING PURPOSEFUL to try to FIX things " ---- Then go do that, in YOUR OWN life. Leave everyone else the hell alone.
     
  2. NothingSacred

    NothingSacred Active Member

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    This is what you DUMB ASSSES don't get! Individuals doing their own thing are the ones who are powerless and ruled by the corporations and Wall Street! Banding together to cooperate is where power would come from.
     
  3. MisterMet

    MisterMet New Member Past Donor

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    Can you hold off on the personal insults pal? Grow up.

    I'm sorry that I reject your collectivism and OCCUPY ideology. But, it doesn't make me a dumb ass.
     
  4. Kurmugeon

    Kurmugeon Well-Known Member

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    To be honest, there IS one area where we who are opposed to the Obama Socialist Transformation should hang our heads in shame...


    We LET them use massive voter fraud to get another four years to cement their plan into place.

    We LET them do it, because we were too afraid of being labeled a "Dirty Racist" to stop them from abusing the Voting Rights Act as cover to commit blatant, massive vote fraud.

    We should be ashamed of that "Dumb Ass" move.

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  5. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Vouchers - in case you have kids and they get stuck in a school that isnt right for them you can switch to one that is. Same with every other kid in the country.

    Flat 25% tax on all income across the board. - simply the code.
    Tax credit of 20% of real median income every year. In the case the result is a negative number, you would receive a check from the government to spend as you wish, with a maximum benefit of 5 years unless you are disabled or over 65 years of age.
    0% corporate income tax, 0 business tax altogether - lets get hiring, demand for skilled Americans will drive up wages

    Abolish TANF, all welfare programs, Social Security, etc.. etc... get the government off the back of the worker, solve it with the tax credit alluded to earlier

    Abolish the EPA - send all funds to the states, you know what lakes an rivers need to be saved.

    Remove all excise taxes.

    Remove all import taxes.

    Get the consumer the most value they can get for their dollar.

    I have more, if anyone want to discuss these ideas I can go on with more specifics, or more programs. Let me know! Give me your annual income and age, and I will tell you how this is a good deal for you, and how specifics would come into play. You can use a fake age and income and I wont hold it against you.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    15,000 49 years old single no kids with sister dependent along with her two kids.
     
  7. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    From the flag icon you are from Florida too, so I will add that in with the analysis because I am familiar.

    Your taxes under my plan would be $-6250 The government would send you a check each month for $520

    Your sister would get $835 a month if she is currently not working. The combined amount $2605 is enough to buy food and shelter in this state, the rest of your income can be used for healthcare, (i can't get to that in later post), and your money can go to all the other bills that come with modern life.

    Her kids can go to the best schools in the area. In Florida private schools cost less per student then public ones in nearly every case. If their grades are good, they get free Bright Futures lotto funded higher education. Private schools send a high percentage of their graduates off to college with qualifying scores.

    Many items at the store would be cheaper, I abolished import taxes. If you wind down with a drink one day after work, or smoke, this plan lets you keep more of your money.

    Business would have more money to invest in capital, making them more competitive internationally. With no tax draining off profits, more investment will flow into the United States because of the larger returns. With no special tax treatment, money will be put to its most profitable/efficient use. This will help fuel the growth and job market, that will allow you to ask for a higher wage, or find another job if you like. Something no can really do when everything is going poorly.

    You can pool that together anyway you wish, there are no restrictions on the money like in the food stamp or housing assistance programs

    The massive amount wasted each year by the EPA could be helping us buy the sugar land we need to connect the wetlands of Central an Southern Florida. The Norther portion and the Big Bend area always have a spring and lake that could you some algae/cyanobacteria scraping. The rest of the money can go to exotic fish removal, or whatever you can get Florida leaders to focus on. Maybe they will stop the Lake O discharges...which are done by the federal government and fought by the locals waiting decades for those unelected federal bureaucrats to decide their jobs are useless and they need to go b/c there discharges harm the IRL.

    Under the current plan, you are paying $2025 a year in taxes, and you have to apply for welfare to get any help with the bills. They will have restrictions on how you can spend it, no food stamps to pay for electricity, or the water bill. They won't want your sister living with someone who works if she is going to get housing assistance, so you can't count that etc..
     
  8. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Do any liberals see flaws in this conservative policy? Or can I take your silence as agreement?
     
  9. endfedthe

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    www.fairtax.org
    end public school
    end money to universities
    end all housing regulations
    allow private union free trains
    allow millions of doctors to be trained
    commodify medicine and housing with mass production
    end all forign aid
    charge corps to have tankers and jet guarded by military during foriegn trade
    replace lawyers with software
    throw away all case law
    get everyone in the game and as prices plummet for all comodities bask in the awesome
    oh yes allow 100s of atomic pwoerplants and make NASA earn its keep by flying debris into space, which are tiny cmopared to past using french atomic tek
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess you prefer the lies, criminality and transformation of America into a Marxist Socialist banana republic that Obama is giving us.
     
  11. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    I would end public school. Children cannot enter contracts for their own education, so because it is preferable for the nation, and usually that child, for them to improve their capital it is a good idea to give them a voucher for their education, and improve their human capital. When they reach 18 though that should be cut off, as they can make their own decisions about their future education, and then can pay for it themselves, rather then pass that burden on to society at large, whose citizens may have foregone college, or other higher education.

    These I cant agree with either:

    charge corps to have tankers and jet guarded by military during foriegn trade
    replace lawyers with software
    throw away all case law

    Case law is the wealth of our wisdom accumulated over the years. Restricting interpretation of law is a good idea, and civil procedure reform would be great, but lawyers serve a valuable role, they do no their job more efficiently to protect consumers then regulators do.
     
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    endfedthe Banned

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    there is really no such thing as a conservative

    a liberal is me: a person for unregulated capitalism

    the mush you post is not clear, it seems sort of you are for ending public school

    but against military costs of shipping good to be apid by merchants, instead paid for by taxpayer like now...

    case law is not wisdom, it is folly

    lawyers move money without production happening and we wonder why along with fed we have inflation? jeesh

    see youtube
    john allison
    tom woods
    peter schiff
    von mises

    those should help you break the government school religion you are inculcated with
     
  13. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    If a drunk cripples you in a car accident how will you provide for your family and pay for downtime while you are in recovery?

    I agree with the liberal definition in the technical sense.

    Yes I think public schools should still exist to ensure every child has a place to go, but that they should compete with voucher schools.

    Case law is pretty amazing really and was built by free market understandings of protection of people and property. It isn't anti libertarian. Most abuses come from dumb jurors, not the case law.
     

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