America breeding criminals by imprisoning too many teenagers

Are you high right now? Alcohol is legal. Me and my parents drink often.

 

Plato never lived in a ghetto

Or maybe he did....

 

I don't drink or do drugs, but I did my share of partying when younger

btw, marijuana is legal in some states now too...
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Just remember that when they say white, they mean white mother.

I'd bet a fair chunk of change that many, many of those single white mothers have kids that don't look much like themselves if you know what I mean.

 

I don't think that it should be.

Sure its not as destructive as people think, but It makes people content with doing nothing and that isn't good.

 

the drug war has not solved that problem though has it, in fact even during prohibition people still got drunk...

the drug war ruins more lives then the drugs themselves

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Only a fool would think the war on drugs would stop people from getting high

Only a quitter would think the answer is giving up.

 

knowing when to quit trying something over and over when you get the same bad results year after year is wise

"5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results" April 7, 2009

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

when society thinks illegal equals bad and then finds that illegal doesn't always equal bad, it sends a mixed message to our youth, one that says it's ok to break the law because the law is just trying to prevent you from having a good time - same problem with prohibition of Alcohol that is happening with with young adults now, take away the right to go to bars and they went to houses to party and if your gonna break the law to drink, why not break it to do any drug, making it illegal for young adults to drink made alcohol a gateway drug - prohibition makes criminals of non-criminals

"Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...lization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/

ending prohibition is the way to go...
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Portugal hasn't been a world power in how many centuries?

There's too much at stake for America to start checking out and smoking bowls. We already have a huge gap between minority-white achievement. Make weed legal and that gap will be a gorge


This isn't Canada. There is far too much riding on America for it to become amsterdam

 

This post puzzles me. You acknowledge the futility, yet suggest that we continue? We have spent over a trillion dollars, and ruined countless people's lives, and had NO impact on drug use (except to make it worse). You talk about fools and quitters, but what do you call someone who doesn't learn from mistakes?

 

I think there are a few things at work here. First off, the silly war on drugs is a significant factor. However, I suspect some of it has to do with attitude. When I am pulled over, I keep my hands on the steering wheel, make no sudden movements, I say "yes sir", "no ma'am". I have yet to have a police officer treat me disrespectfully. I have a feeling many, and not just young people, invite more scrutiny from police by being (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s.

 

The influence of the criminals inside correctional institutions
are quite contagious, teenagers are the future of the country,
with the misdemeanor they should separated from the hardened
criminals if they are to be disciplined.

 

I always love the "kid never acted that way when I was a wee little one" argument. Forget the fact that in the 60's kids were having just as much if not MORE promiscuous sex, doing more dangerous drugs in more dangerous ways (sure, kids huff cans of paint and stick vodka up their butts, but they can't get ahold of heroin or cocaine anymore). Teenage orgies were common and kids were just as lazy and useless back then. And in the 1920's, and in the 1890's, and so on. Just because the actions of children are more obvious and they get caught more today (social network and video cameras everywhere) doesn't mean that kids in every generation aren't troubled brats with horrible decision making function in their brains. Human beings are NOT mentally ready to receive testosterone and estrogen injections into their brains that they do in puberty. Some can handle it well because their parents have prepared them, while others are not.

It all comes down to too many factors to isolate and conquer. Parenting, school systems, education (school and real world), friends, mentors, environment, diet, opportunity, etc. etc. etc. NO child, no matter how good their parents, is completely safe from those other factors, and vice versa. There is no formula from completely preventing someone from breaking bad, but there is a lot of luck involved with kids surviving adulthood with no imperfections on their record.

 

I'm glad you feel so strongly about this and will eschew hypocrisy and vote libertarian since our candidates want individuals to have the freedom to make their own decisions and aren't responsible for the ruination of black families and the imprisonment of nonviolent offenders.

 

I guess your reply was directed at my post, although I don't remember saying anything that makes an argument like "kid never acted that way when I was a wee little one" ??? What I did say, however, was, "Crimes? Yeah, young people committed crimes all back through history, since the dawn of time." Then I went on to point out that the biggest difference today is that there is little or no retribution for breaking laws.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anybody sticking vodka up their butts (what's that like...?), but I would call bull**** on your observation that "kids were just as lazy and useless back then". Back in the 60's, or just about any time prior this country's slide into becoming a squishy pile of ****, as I call it, you couldn't just lay around on your ass and do nothing, for years -- you'd starve! And even if you didn't starve, you'd have been a complete pariah that no one would have wanted to even be around, because nobody but the lowest kind of "untouchable" dregs of society would take welfare (what little of it there was back then), and no body with any self-respect would have suggested to Mommy and Daddy that they, as fully-grown, adult human beings should go home and live like a child with them again!

Today, it's all different! Today, Comrade Obama's Welfare State will buy your groceries, pay your rent, pay your utility bills, buy you a cell phone, etc., etc., etc. You can go home and live with Mommy and Daddy, and be included in their health insurance plan, in an extended childhood, until you are TWENTY-SIX YEARS OLD!? You can lay around on your ass and play Facebook, Twitter, Angry Birds, and completely waste your life with no consequence, because someone -- Mommy, Daddy, Comrade Obama -- someone else is going to support you....

If nothing else, at least please get this part right, for it is common to everything we've discussed: when there is no real consequence for negligence, irresponsibility, criminal behavior, or becoming a worthless parasite, then the individual and the socialist society he lives in FAILS....

 

Yes there is. It started out with Johnson's war on poverty that gave so much welfare to women having kids that the father no longer had to stay with the family and support them. Allowing him to cat around with other women, having even more fatherless children. Children need a father for discipline and to provide guidance. You take that away and kids get in trouble. Of course it also didn't help when we took discipline away from parents and teachers. Is it any wonder we have so many kids getting in trouble. It is true, when we lock them away, things just get worse. They are then under the influence of the worse kind. You change it by trying to bring back the family structure. You change it by bringing back discipline. In order to protect our children, we have harmed them and society.

 

We could change that if people would just stay off them. We know the problems drugs cause. We have seen the damage it does but we still have to try them and get hooked on them. How many have to die, get murdered, before we say it's not worth it?

 

Big Fed and progressives stand with Hobbes

 

"One definition of 'insanity' is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results."

 

I was going to post the same thought, If I would have got busted today with the crazy stuff I used to do in the 80"s I would have had like 2000 plus felonys.

 

again, has the drug war solved that problem though.. or has it made it worse

I think the drug war has caused more harm to society then the drugs themselves

as a young adult I partied too, most of us did, we survived

the drug war supports gangs and terrorism, how many have to die, get murdered, before we say it's not worth it?


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most people on welfare work... they just are not paid a living wage, so we as a society help them financially so that in turn corps get cheap labor and we get cheap stuff

in the old days most people that worked 40 hours a week made a living wage... sadly corporate greed has changed that, often times it now it takes two working full time to do the same as it took one back then

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Alot more then corporate greed caused that, wish people were more honest.

 

did you read the entire post...

" in turn corps get cheap labor and we get cheap stuff"

now some do not want to help those not making a living wage...

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Not sure what you are saying? you dont understand about people buying cheap stuff from Walmart instead of high quality goods made in America? explain more please