You are right, people die by more things than guns all of the time. But I'm wondering about the selective outrage in society by conservatives that will raise absolute hell on Earth about things like comprehensive sex education (which somehow they claim endangers their children) but not only ignores but fights against the actual protection of their children from the single greatest weapon of choice in murder bar none in the past 300 years. PERIOD. Cancer and heart disease are the two greatest causes of health related deaths in our nation. If I follow conservative logic, we should completely ignore doing anything at all about those things in medical research or preventative medicines, and instead focus on a whole bunch of little diseases that don't have as big an impact because "they kill people too and no one seems to have any outrage about those little diseases". When it comes to murder, guns are the most effective, efficient, accessible and used weapon of choice in every year, cross section of culture, and nook and corner of our society going back since their inception and first sales. But go ahead, show outrage towards bow and arrow murders or shark attacks. It's much more likely that kids will die from those things. It's not like guns are everywhere already. Stating that MORE of something that everyone can get ahold of already and is already the weapon of choice in murder will somehow result in a reduction of gun murder rates is absolutely stupid. And all of these pics showing gun safes and stating that you just need more of them is also stupid. When someone has intention to use, you will NOT get to your safe in time. If they've got a gun and it's drawn, you will be dead, even if you own 100000 guns. I want a society with 99% less than we have now. I'd much rather live with those odds, even if there are a few pockets of criminals that are able to slip theirs through the cracks. When my kids have kids someday, I'd fell much better about society if most were gone and no new guns were in circulation. That's the only long term solution to gun deaths. And I'll take a stab wound to a gun shot wound any day of the week.
To a degree I actually agree with you, but if someone has their guns locked up and somebody steals them anyway, the thief is responsible for whatever happens after the crime is committed. This desire to turn innocent people into criminals for the actions of others is getting beyond ridiculous.
Why don't the governments in Illinois and New York enforce existing laws in the areas having a high incidence of gun crime (i.e. NYC and Chicago) and leave the law-abiding folks alone?
They are trying to take them away so innocent people stop getting slaughtered by these weapons. And elected officials have protection because they are highly visible targets. Has nothing to do with them being afraid of you owning a gun. Cigs and alcohol are not man made weapons that spray bullets at people. No, that's a logical fallacy. Alcohol, cigarettes, and cars have nothing to do with man made weapons that spray bullets at people. I'm glad your argument comes down to "Well other things kill people too, therefore you can't take our guns". LOL! Conservative logic at it's finest.
Well the safe and its serial number should be part of the police report. You find a cracked rifle safe in an alley, maybe you can get some prints off of it... it is not a perfect measure, but I believe it would save lives.
Ok im going to try and refute this as best i can. First diseases are not voluntary. You cannot make a law saying you cannot contract a disaease. Is not possible so i dont know what argument you are tryi to make here. It is proven fact that areas with less gun control laws have lower crime and murder rates. An armed citizenry deters crime in an area. If you want proof look at the demographics or ou could just answer me this one question. Can you name me a police station, NRA meeting, or firing range, where mass shootings have happoned? Lastly, criminals are criminals becuase they do not follow the law. Hence why gun free zones are completely stupid feel good laws. Criminals ignore gun laws as it is and will ignore every gun law you try to introduce so its moot point. Disarming a citizenry puts its people in danger from enemies foriegn and domestic
I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Other than to try and assert that a machine whose primary purpose is killing should not be in a different class than a washing machine or a toaster. People have to register to vote, so I don't know where this licensing thing comes from. And I still have no idea why it is that many gun enthusiasts will gladly lecture anyone who cares to listen about responsible gun ownership, gun safety, and the evils of people obtaining guns illegally. But try and enact laws to insure that all of these things are adhered to and many of them start shouting and screaming right out of the other sides of their mouths.
Guns do not spray bullets, that is your logical fallacy. There are far more lives saved every year by gun owners then people being killed. These stories are not portrayed by the liberal media becuase it does not match their agenda. my shotgun has prevented my wife and I from being victims ourselves. And "innocent people" are not the only ones being killed by guns. Please show me a stat of just the innocent ones? I promise you more lives are saved every year than are killed. Even if they are highly visible targets, why do they need guns if they are not afraid of the citizenry having guns? Will they give up their guns if i am forced to give up mine? Visibility has nothing to do with it, they are afraid of an armed citizenry. Cig and alcohol, still kill more than guns. I dont care what their functions are, they still kill by far more than guns do yet you have no outrage for it. Why?
This isn't about cigs or alcohol. Don't worry about the outrage for that. This is about man made weapons designed to fire bullets at things. Focus on the issue. And you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that gun owners save more lives every year than those that are killed. Lol. Even making stuff up these days.
So would being tough on criminals and more cautious of the mentally ill. Neither is on the list of dos when it comes to making the world safer. Unfortunately the government finds a gang banger with a gun with the serial numbers scratched off and they allow them to negotiate for a lighter almost unrelated sentence , while the law abiding citizen who was robbed gets no deal because his private property was stolen and used in connection with a crime they didn't commit. Almost every gang banger in the large cities have illegal guns and the gun grabbers want to figure out ways to disarm the law abiding or make it harder for them to obtain or have guns purchased legally in their possession. It's obvious to see by the manipulative tactics which direction this trampling on constitutional rights is going. Where are the new laws that are being promoted to actually disarm criminals and the mentally disturbed? I haven't seen any offered yet, just attack and harass the lawful gun owners.
Gun laws in the United States are largely useless, and the NRA works hard to keep it that way. Just look at their website. They boast about it almost constantly. They want straw purchases, because the industry (which is who they really represent) wants to stay in the lucrative business of small arms sales without getting their fingerprints on anything. They want to game gun enthusiasts into buying more expensive guns in larger quantities, so they scare people with vitriol about "gun grabbers" and circulate silly rumours aobut the government buying all the ammunition. Then they rake in the profits from the paranoid. They don't care about the collateral damage.
Your "new" gun control laws arnt new. We have background checks. Thousands fail every year, guess how many are actually prosecuted? Just dozens.... The differences they are trying to make would not prevent any more mass shootings but make more hurdles for legal gun owners, and create a de facto registry of gun owners, going against their constitutional rights. Not to mention that every gun registration in history has been further met with gun confiscation...
The more deaths the merrier. People die in auto accidents and swimming pools. That is why I support any-term abortion. People die!! Why anyone would be against abortion is beyond me.
They even oppose laws.....that they once supported. LaPierre testified to Congress in 1999 in FAVOR of universal background checks....which he and the NRA then opposed after Sandy Hook. In favor of his ludicrious (but more money for the gun makers) "alternative" of "put an armed guard in every one of 90,000 public schools."
Ah yes...but we do have proof that restricting gun does cause crime. Look at the crime ridden areas in the country, and then note the corresponding gun laws. Sure you'll have your aberrations. But by and large the correlations tell us that fewer guns and tighter gun regulations leads to more crime. Go ahead do a google search. Present a source for your meager claims.
My "new" gun laws??? What are you talking about? I have not proposed anything in this discussion. But for the sake of discussion, I will. Yes, we have background checks, but only for dealers. Not for private transactions. So in the majority of states, including EVERY state around me, it's perfectly legal for a "private individual" to sell whatever he wants out of the trunk of a car with no background check at all. In addition, the NRA has worked hard to make background checks useless, pushing laws that mandate that the application be approved after a certain time whether the checks are completed or not. The NRA's fingers are on the reason why most states don't have adequate medical records on mental patients who would ordinarily be denied a gun. I don't know of any state that requires that a gun owner be trained in the use of firearms and gun safety in order to get a license to own a gun, or register one (I could be wrong there). And in most cases, laws against straw man purchases are so weak that it's impossible to get a conviction under them, which enables a number of illicit gun markets in the US, particularly from Mississippi to Chicago, and across the US/Mexican border. I would think that responsible gun owners would support gun registration, licensing and training laws that protect their rights to own a gun, and the safety (percieved or otherwise) of the people around them. I would think that resonsible gun owners would welcome the tough prosecution of straw man purchasers and the gun show loophole. I would think that they would want laws that make it hard for the losers, loonies, and criminals to obtain guns relatively easily, as has been the case with every mass shooting over the past few years. But it seems as though they don't. The NRA has yet to suggest any proposals for dealing with any of these issues, other than to demand that we spent taxpayer money to put armed guards in schools. And it isn't going to. Gun safety and the public safety are not thier concern. Industry profits are.
